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Do you penalize a player... ...whithout a BBD - IF... Rate Topic: -----

Poll: Would you peanalize this player? (63 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you peanalize this player?

  1. Yes - rules is rules (9 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  2. No, just a warning - as long as I see he has a replacement next game. (49 votes [77.78%])

    Percentage of vote: 77.78%

  3. No - fingers are an acceptable BBD (5 votes [7.94%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.94%

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#1 User is offline   The Stuntman 

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Posted 06 May 2007 - 11:10 PM

Just curious...
You see a player walking off the field with no BBD on his gun. Instead he has his finger stuck down the barrel. Says he lost his bag/plug on the field.

Do you ping him on it?
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Posted 06 May 2007 - 11:22 PM

I have actually made people stick their finger in their barrel when they lost their BBD when I was a ref.

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Posted 06 May 2007 - 11:27 PM

View PostFrontier_Bill, on May 6 2007, 11:22 PM, said:

I have actually made people stick their finger in their barrel when they lost their BBD when I was a ref.

lol
Ive actually stuck my finger in the barrel when I lost my BBD when I was a player...
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Posted 06 May 2007 - 11:47 PM

View PostFrontier_Bill, on May 7 2007, 12:22 AM, said:

I have actually made people stick their finger in their barrel when they lost their BBD when I was a ref.

When I ref, that's what I do. If it was a an accidental loss, that's all I'll do. If the same person keeps losing it, I'll start hittign them with sitting out games
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Posted 07 May 2007 - 02:32 AM

I make them remove the tank or remote line.

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Posted 07 May 2007 - 06:01 AM

make him take his barrel off and disconect his hopper and tank. best way to be sure no acidents happen
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Posted 07 May 2007 - 06:05 AM

That's actually a guide line @ one of the fields I got to. If you don't have a BBD you put your finger(thumb) over the barrel until you walk up to the truck to buy a BBD.

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Posted 07 May 2007 - 07:28 AM

This is generally not an issue with me since I carry at least 2 BBD's with me just for people losing/dropping theirs. Usually a couple Plugs in my pocket or a couple sleeves hung in my belt. Call me a over thinker but I actually carry a dozen of the 32 degreee plugs in my REF bag so I always have them even if the place I am playing/REFing doesn't. I look at them as "Tools of the trade" just like my own field chrono, REF mask, Zebra shirt and other stuff.

If I give one out I make a note on my pocket log of who it was given to and then address the issue with them again in the pro shop between rounds.

I have managed to talk a couple field owners to get sleeves screened like business cards for the REF's to carry and when someone needs one you slip it in the barrel and tell them the pro shop sells them for 3.00. Generally the guys will go and pay for them but if they don't at least the marketing item went out and the marker was safe.
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Posted 07 May 2007 - 09:09 AM

I would have no problem with them doing this. But I would let them know that if they remove their barrel, and keep their marker pointed at the ground the whole time while going to the shack to get a new BBD, that would be acceptable as well.


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Posted 07 May 2007 - 09:32 AM

I voted rules are rules. Couldn't you break your finger if the gun fires? If so, still seems like a big safety issue. Marker oughta be degassed and they should dump their paint back in their pods.
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Posted 07 May 2007 - 09:38 AM

View PostRaziel66, on May 7 2007, 12:32 PM, said:

I voted rules are rules. Couldn't you break your finger if the gun fires? If so, still seems like a big safety issue. Marker oughta be degassed and they should dump their paint back in their pods.

Yes you could have a broken finger if the marker fires. But when compared to blinding or possibly killing someone else in the stagging area from it it's not much of a comparison. As for unloading and degassing the marker. Many markers still retain enough pressurized gases after the tank is removed to fire a few shots and it's still possible to have a ball stuck in the breech even after emptying the hopper. Plus the scare factor also implants the use of a BBD a little firmer than someone telling you to use one.
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Posted 07 May 2007 - 02:24 PM

yes, the field i ref at has lots of leeway in bbd area, we are one field that lets people use plugs or squeegee as a bbd but a finger? no
i would make him take his air off his gun

o also was it a gun owner?
if it was a renter then i would either take the gun away for the rest of the day or yell to get back out of the safe zone, a little while ago we had some prolobams with this, 5ish people got kicked out, 1 got a life time ban

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Posted 07 May 2007 - 04:19 PM

Funny at my local speedball field if you don't have a barrel bag you are allowed to take your barrel off instead.
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Posted 07 May 2007 - 04:31 PM

View Postandrew1987, on May 7 2007, 02:24 PM, said:

yes, the field i ref at has lots of leeway in bbd area, we are one field that lets people use plugs or squeegee as a bbd but a finger? no


I am not trying to grind on you at all but I want to make a point about your fields rules.

Your field would accept an implement that could impale someone but not a finger? Squeegee’s were never intended to be a blocking device and they don’t meet the standards set for them to be designated a barrel blocking device i.e. able to withstand minimum of three rapid shots and remain securely/safely in place. I suppose if it did meet that then it might work but that would be a really rough squeegee to use for cleaning. At least if the person has their finger in the marker, it would add extra incentive to be careful getting to the pro shop. Just sticking a squeegee in the barrel turns a paintball accident into a “arrow” accident.

On the matter of degassing the marker, I don’t have an issue with that so long as it is the REF doing the degassing, and clearing the chamber making the marker safe and not the player. With the new issues about tanks being in the danger forefront, the fewer times a tank is screwed in and out around the field the happier I am. I’m even training new REF’s to tell renters just to take their markers back to the equipment room and exchange marker/tank as a unit for an aired replacement when they run out during play. I cringe every time I am on a field and I see a renter take his tank off and carry it to the fill station to be refilled. They may know everything there is to know about doing it safely, but then again, why risk it.
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Posted 07 May 2007 - 09:14 PM

I just tell them that the next game cant start until they find it. It just so happens thats the most effective way to find lost barrel condoms. :ghillie:

I also take their marker from them and leave it in the firing range, an area between the field and the 'safe' zone. That way theres not a chance that an accident could happen.

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