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#46 User is offline   Th3N3wM3ssiah 

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Posted 29 September 2009 - 05:26 PM

View PostDr. Wiggy, on May 17 2009, 02:08 PM, said:

"I will personally buy lunch for anyone who shoots this guy!! **point at someone you're friends with, so he'll get the joke**"

Hahaha I don't think that promotes safety

Any way this thread is very helpful I plan on starting to ref this weekend


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Posted 29 September 2009 - 05:50 PM

telling a player to keep playing while doing a paint check.. is a NO

this happened to me once.. i called for a check... and a ref came.. he told me to stand up and keep playing...

so i shot the kid that shot me...

then the ref... who was taking his sweet old time or was just blind.. saw the mark and said i was out..

the player that shot me.. was some 12 year old ref... on his off time... AND THEN the little kid started with the mouth...


i went right up to the field owner and told him about this and that im never coming back here to play again...

he offered some sort of punch pass that was free 5 admissions and 50% off field paint purchases (up to 5 boxes)

it was a field paint only field.. they charge like $80 a box.... i took the offer but sold the pass for $30 to a friend that likes to play there...

a field that hires 12 year old kids....... not somewhere i wana be... no offense to any of the younger members of this community... this is basically aimed towards little kids with trucker mouths..

I... HOPE.. YOU.. GET.. SMACKED.. REAL ..HARD.. AT ... HOME..

and for the FIELD OWNERS.. that hire these kids.. quit doing friends small favors... and hire REAL PEOPLE.

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MAD RESPECT to you refs.. but you have a job... do it.. dont be lazy... and keep control of the group/situations

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Posted 29 September 2009 - 09:57 PM

There's nothing wrong with having the player keep playing while checking for paint. Thats how its supposed to be done, even in scenarios. I've never had a problem with following that procedure. Usually, tho, the player will squirm a bit so I can see everything (or hide a shot if he really was). As long as they don't run to a different spot as you're checking, I see no issue with them playing on while I am checking.
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Posted 01 October 2009 - 05:49 AM

Kinda have to agree with SO45615 on this one if the person keeps playing then they could get someone out when they are supossed to be out and that wouldn't be fair


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Posted 01 October 2009 - 07:22 AM

agreed with Mess and the kid with a bunch of numbers in his name haha. it would technically be called playing on wouldn't it? When someone asks for a paint check on me, I kneel down (unless told otherwise) and get myself checked. If I'm clean I get back into the action after the ref clears me. If I'm hit I wait for the ref to call me out then I call myself out.
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Posted 02 October 2009 - 04:01 AM

If someone calls paint check, they are still considered in until the official call is made. Think of it as the innocent until proven guilty spiel. Yea, ok, he may be hit, but its hard to tell, so the ref comes in and investigates. As long as he doesn't move while being checked, or use the ref for cover, all is golden.

For the record, even when I play, and call for a paint check, I'm told to keep playing while being looked over. I haven't been to a field yet that hasn't had refs who told me otherwise.
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Posted 02 October 2009 - 05:43 AM

View PostCptObvious, on Oct 2 2009, 07:01 AM, said:

If someone calls paint check, they are still considered in until the official call is made. Think of it as the innocent until proven guilty spiel. Yea, ok, he may be hit, but its hard to tell, so the ref comes in and investigates. As long as he doesn't move while being checked, or use the ref for cover, all is golden.

For the record, even when I play, and call for a paint check, I'm told to keep playing while being looked over. I haven't been to a field yet that hasn't had refs who told me otherwise.

I have never been told to play on but I have never been told to stop either I just don't play on IDK because I am not an experianced ref


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Posted 03 October 2009 - 09:11 AM

sometimes if your in a big game.. you should just call yourself out.. (more then likely theres not a ref near by, and your gonna be back in the action in 15 mins or so anyway) i try to think i wont get shot in the back running away.. most the time its someone who just has an angle on me and if they hit my tank well.. i wont feel it..

your better off playing with a small group so if they see something on you.. you do the right thing and walk off..

cant always rely on a ref being around, but yet you cant trust that who you are playing against will wipe or not.. most of us that wear these vests dont feel the hit if its on the back and its like we can do a whole 360 with our head and look and see if we were hit... i do my best feeling around if i think im hit and sometimes its not good enough..

i had a big shootout one time.. it was me vs 4 i got 2. and there was a player ref in the group i had a shoot out with.. so he calls himself out and comes over and checks me.. and i was fine.. later when the last guy got me i found that ref and asked him if i even got him and he said no.. but we thought we got you so i called myself out and came and looked at ya.. then just stayed off to the side... (he didnt jump back in) and in my book thats a good ref.
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Posted 05 October 2009 - 05:57 AM

I shoot people like 6 times anyway, that way they don't need a paint check because theres no doubt they're out.

I expect people to light me up too

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Posted 21 December 2009 - 08:42 AM

View PostCptObvious, on Oct 2 2009, 06:01 AM, said:

If someone calls paint check, they are still considered in until the official call is made.


This rule must apply only at your field cause it looks like everyone else is disagreeing with you. At the field I have been reffing for for 2 years the rule is when you call for a paint check you can not shoot at anyone and must remain behind cover however the opposing team can shoot at you. Since you called for a paint check your hit is in question and if you continue shooting at the other team it is considered playing on. We also give players the option to ask others around them for a paint check, stressing players to be honest and to help each other out while on the field.

Before you guys are like its not fair for someone to shoot him while he is calling for a hit, let me stress to you that our refs are always on point. When they hear a call for a paint check they are sprinting like mad to check the player. Majority of the time that player is surrounded by buddies so he rarely gets hit by the opposing player during the paint check process.
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Posted 21 December 2009 - 02:10 PM

Paint checks? Eh, it's an iffy subject and it'll vary with field rules and simple logistics.

For example, at my home field, the refs do a reasonable job and try to get all paint checks done in a fast and timely manner.

But... when you've got 200 players out on the field, how can you possibly run from one paint check to the next and still expect them to be "neutral" the whole time? You can't.

Our general rule of thumb is try and check yourself. Ask a buddy nearby if a ref isn't right there. Ask a ref if you have to. Generally, you're still half-way live (can be shot at and shoot, but movement is discouraged)

And yes, we can hit 200 people on a regular open play session during the summer.
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Posted 22 December 2009 - 09:18 AM

View Post13th Disciple, on Dec 21 2009, 08:42 AM, said:

View PostCptObvious, on Oct 2 2009, 06:01 AM, said:

If someone calls paint check, they are still considered in until the official call is made.


This rule must apply only at your field cause it looks like everyone else is disagreeing with you. At the field I have been reffing for for 2 years the rule is when you call for a paint check you can not shoot at anyone and must remain behind cover however the opposing team can shoot at you. Since you called for a paint check your hit is in question and if you continue shooting at the other team it is considered playing on. We also give players the option to ask others around them for a paint check, stressing players to be honest and to help each other out while on the field.

Before you guys are like its not fair for someone to shoot him while he is calling for a hit, let me stress to you that our refs are always on point. When they hear a call for a paint check they are sprinting like mad to check the player. Majority of the time that player is surrounded by buddies so he rarely gets hit by the opposing player during the paint check process.

Nope, that is how it is everywhere. Everyone who has disagreed with him has pretty much said at their home field whereas I know Captain and I have played throughout the country...

Worst thing that happens is the ref pulls a penalty or they wipe off the person you shot. Most people dont play on, outside of staying alive, as a courteousy though.

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Posted 22 June 2010 - 05:35 AM

At the field i ref at we have slightly different rules on paint checks that i think work well. We make it clear to all players in the mornings safety briefing so nobody is under any illusion on what to do.

If a player calls a paintcheck on himself:
player should stay behind cover but should not be shooting his/her weapon
when the ref gets to the player they will call out 'Player is neutral'
Neutral players are not allowed to shoot and you cannot shoot at neutral players
The neutral player is to stand up or roll over to show 360 degrees of their body
If paint mark is found (not splatter) then the ref loudly shouts whilst standing between them and the enemy 'player is eliminated - let them walk' and they are pointed to the deadzone.
If no paint mark is found ref shouts 'player is clean - play on'
if no paint mark is found and the player is out in the open and/or in vunerable position they get a 5 second run for cover/safety which is stated by the ref

If player calls paintcheck on another player:
Same applies but all refs are encouraged to watch the game closely to look for hits. if a player is firing blindly and asks for checks they will be told why no paint check is given.

Hopper/gun and mask hits are the most common which are easy to check for and we use the same colour paint for all rental customers so its easy to look for that yellow mark!


BTW i love the comments about being nice and friendly, this works well and can diffuse alot of potentially heated moments. Its always nice to have a chat and get to know people and you can advertise the site shop or up and coming games whilst you're there so more people get interested in the sport.
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