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Vests......do they make the heat even worse? I don't want to over heat

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Posted 31 January 2009 - 08:38 PM

After years of just using a tac belt I'm thinking about getting a vest. I'm tired of the belt but I can't find a pod-pack like I need. I don't need a full vest to carry a ton of crap. I just need to carry a CO2 tank, maybe two pods, two grenades pouches, and a utility pouch. I really like how the BT Static vest looks. I'm just worried about the heat. I live in Texas and during the summer we play in 100+ heat ALOT. The front of the BT Static vest is pretty open but it has a full MOLLE back. Will this keep my body from breathing and make me overheat? I'm wondering if some of you guys that wear vests could give me some advice. If I get a vest it will be at D-Day Oklahoma so I have a few months. Thanks.

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Posted 31 January 2009 - 08:50 PM

I have a Specops Dagger style vest that is pretty open in the front, but has a full back. I used it at DDay last year and had pretty much no problems. I'm guessing it held in a little heat but no where near enough to make me have to sit out because of it.
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Posted 31 January 2009 - 08:55 PM

A vest really doesn't add to heat that much, it helps a bunch in mobility though. All the weight goes onto your shoulders and not your hips. What I did and what I reccomend to everyone is to go to a Army Surplus store and get a vest there that is cheap and can hold 140 rnd pods. Mine cost $40 and holds 7 pods with barely any modification. (I attached a 3 pod pack to the back of it via zip ties) So get one of those test it out and see if you like the vest, if you do you hhave options to upgrade to a paintball specific vest or keep the vest you own.

Now that Im kind of off track, the heat doesn't really get any worse. You can try and find a vest with a hydration pouch if your worried about that also. That will keep you from feeling fatigued.
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Posted 31 January 2009 - 09:21 PM

I love my Scout vest. It is comfortable. I haven't played PB in it yet (got it for Christmas), but I wore it all over the place the first couple of days I had it and didn't notice any heat... It has a mesh back and front, so it will breathe, and it only is blocked where the pods are attached. I think it will be great. But then, I have to wait until I can play a few games in it to know for sure.
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Posted 01 February 2009 - 01:51 AM

Thanks guys. The BT Static vest does have a pouch for a hydration bladder. Our games seldom last longer than 40 minutes so I can usually hydrate at the staging area but it will come in handy at D-Day. Last year at D-Day I was constantly draining my hydration pack. I'm waiting for D-Day because BT has a HUGE vendor tent where they have EVERY piece of BT gear on hand so you can try them on and you get the BT Batallion discount too which is sweet.
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Posted 01 February 2009 - 07:11 AM

Having played in literally all playable conditions short of during a tornado/hurricane, from too cold to play at all to OK D-Day:

1. The full-scale, full coverage vests (PCS, Broadsword, Flurry, the HRT vest, and others) are heat traps. I don't care that it's mesh, I've tried both non-mesh (flurry) and mesh (PCS) and they're downright uncomfortable at even temperatures lower than what you're talking about (Once it gets into the high 70s/low 80s, I switch over to a pod pack). That said, I'm a Minnesotan. I couldn't fathom wearing one of these full vests in 80 degree heat, much less 100+ heat.

(our MN summer does typically sit in the high 70s-high 90s, depending on the month/year, so it's not that uncommon for us)

2. The open web-gear like vests like the static vest, sabre, dagger, or Forge vest with the zip front will breath a lot better. The back may not breath as much, but the front will be just fine. I bought myself a stock class rig using a Forge vest looking forward to having it breath far better than my old PCS vest. I'm also picking up a different back for playing with a semi and pods, with the intent of taking it to D-Day over my old pod pack if it works out in a controlled test.

The static vest, since you're looking at it in particular, should be just fine.

I know a lot of people think the big vests are fine because they're mesh, I know from experience that while it may beat non-mesh, it'll still be pretty harsh heat-wise.
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Posted 01 February 2009 - 01:28 PM

Thanks for the indepth input. I just went to the BT vest builder and put together the Static vest I want and even with the tank pouch, a 2 pod pouch, and two grenade pouches it's still very reasonably priced. I may get a utility pouch too because I always need somewhere to carry my sapper toys. I mainly just want to put the load on my shoulders because I'm sick of having to keep the tac belt tight enough to keep it secure and suspenders just suck.
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Posted 01 February 2009 - 02:05 PM

View PostThalion, on Feb 1 2009, 09:11 AM, said:

Having played in literally all playable conditions short of during a tornado/hurricane, from too cold to play at all to OK D-Day:

1. The full-scale, full coverage vests (PCS, Broadsword, Flurry, the HRT vest, and others) are heat traps. I don't care that it's mesh, I've tried both non-mesh (flurry) and mesh (PCS) and they're downright uncomfortable at even temperatures lower than what you're talking about (Once it gets into the high 70s/low 80s, I switch over to a pod pack). That said, I'm a Minnesotan. I couldn't fathom wearing one of these full vests in 80 degree heat, much less 100+ heat.

(our MN summer does typically sit in the high 70s-high 90s, depending on the month/year, so it's not that uncommon for us)

2. The open web-gear like vests like the static vest, sabre, dagger, or Forge vest with the zip front will breath a lot better. The back may not breath as much, but the front will be just fine. I bought myself a stock class rig using a Forge vest looking forward to having it breath far better than my old PCS vest. I'm also picking up a different back for playing with a semi and pods, with the intent of taking it to D-Day over my old pod pack if it works out in a controlled test.

The static vest, since you're looking at it in particular, should be just fine.

I know a lot of people think the big vests are fine because they're mesh, I know from experience that while it may beat non-mesh, it'll still be pretty harsh heat-wise.

+100 I have played in 4 different vests since i started PB. Two were solid, two were mesh. All were ungodly hot in the summer. The solids i thought i would die. Like after i took it off when i got off the field each time, it was about 20 lbs heavier just soaked in sweat. If it didn't have a hydration bladded in it it damn would have killed me. The mesh breathed much better...but still horribly hot. Still soaked in sweat when removed. Granted i sweat a lot anyways...but in those things, in 90+* heat.... *gasp*

I never got tot try an open web gear type. Not my thing. And i don't wear vests anymore...i rarely carry more than 8 ten round tubes on me, a vest would be overkill nowadays for the style i play.

If you do get an open front vest you will be much happier in the heat. Much. And always fill the camelbak...they are life savers in those freaking hot times.

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Posted 01 February 2009 - 09:53 PM

Hmmmm....now I'm not sure I should get a vest. Anything that might increase the heat may just kill me. lol. I think I'll get the BT vest for cooler weather and a MOLLE battle belt for hotter weather. The BT vest is only $40.00 and I can get a MOLLE battle belt for $20.00. Then I'll have the best of both worlds.

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Posted 01 February 2009 - 10:42 PM

DVLCHLD, the hydration pouch on the Static vest is small. I'm not sure what size bladder it will accommodate but both the 2.5 and 3 liter bladders I have were too big. The Merc vest's pouch on the other hand is huge in comparison...I think you could probably carry two 3 liters side by side. If at all possible go to your local PB shop and look at them in person.

That being said this is how I have my Static vest set up for the moment. I'm waiting for my OD single MOLLE pod pouches from SO to arrive.

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Posted 02 February 2009 - 07:48 AM

I disagree that mesh-based vests are heat traps. I use a full-coverage Operative V2 from SpecOps, and barely notice the heat increase. I've used full coverage vests for years, and no problems.
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Posted 02 February 2009 - 09:33 PM

People feel heat differently from each other. I know when it's 100+ at my field it's REALLY draining on me and at times I feel like I'm going to die while other people my age seem to handle the heat just fine. Although when I play I work hard at moving, running, crawling, etc, etc while some of the other players don't push themselves so hard. I think I'm going to go ahead and get the BT Static vest and just see how it works out and if it's too hot in the summer months then I'll get a padded battle belt with an "H" harness.
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Posted 02 February 2009 - 10:05 PM

i cant overstress how much i prefer mesh over solid, well i could but lets think i couldnt.

of course having a breathable shirt is always a must for me but im sure you know that far better than i would.
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Posted 02 February 2009 - 10:16 PM

I would guess that the constriction of wearing a vest would make you feel hotter. Just the weight of the vest could add to the feeling......Yarr...what am I trying to say? I imagine that wearing the vest will make breathing more of a chore, because of the weight on your shoulders, which is the main complaint when I feel hot. I feel hot, it is hard to breathe.

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Posted 04 February 2009 - 11:05 AM

I'll go ahead and toss in my 2 cents...as a Texas player, down here in Houston, I can say without any reservations, that you want a dagger/sabre/LBE style vest.
Any other vest will be too hot. The open on the sides, the straps instead of mesh, and the breathability are unparalleled in any fill or mesh vest.

Now I'm not going to knock Minnesota or Colorado summers, I'm sure it's rough...but here in Texas, 100% humidity and 100+ temperatures are the norm, and with a heat index up in 120+, the last thing you want is any kind of heat trap on your upper torso. A little trick I use is to dump a couple of ice cold bottles of water into my h2o bladder on my dagger...drops the back temp quickly, and is a good idea even on 40 minute games. A couple 16 oz bottles in a bag on your back is nada.

Anyway, 4 years in Louisiana woods in the Army, and just as long playing paintball here in Texas, I know hot and miserable summers playing in the back 40, and man you do not want to overheat with a vest that doesn't allow airflow.

I'd also recommend the OMNIPAT ultralights for texas heat and camo, but thats a topic for another thread.
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