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Posted 26 July 2010 - 04:47 PM

Its the fact that kids keep getting coddled from birth that we have such problems.
PARENTS GET A CLUE. Here's a word your child should hear often: NO. Guess what? They won't die when you say it! AND MEAN IT! Say it, say it often, and don't back down. Make them earn things. Make them earn things because it will make them appreciate the things they have, and they will learn from the work they had to do to get it!

Stop stroking your kid's ego in the name of "self-esteem". That's a load of crap. Kids need to learn to RESPECT themselves. And remember that respect is EARNED. What?? YES! Kids need to EARN their RESPECT for THEMSELVES. They learn to respect themselves by having to WORK for it! By having to CHALLENGE THEMSELVES!!! By learning to be INDEPENDENT of their parents and be SELF RELIANT! Does this means parents can't help? Sometimes YES! Sure, a bit of help here and there is a good thing. But more often than not kids aren't getting help....they're getting it done FOR them! For crying out loud! A kid will respect himself when he has been able to accomplish something genuinely of his own skill and wits. A kid who has self-respect has respect for others. A kid who has self-esteem has been told all his life how wonderful he is, no matter how good or bad he may actually be, and hasn't learned to fend for himself.

So. If you have self-esteem....you're going to think that you're a better 'baller than anyone, that your marker shoots better, and you know more than anyone, and you're going to have to do WHATEVER it takes to win so that your self-esteem stays inflated. You're gonna be a stuck-up noob that no one likes.

If you have self-respect, you're gonna play the game fairly, understanding that you are relying on the skills you've DEVELOPED by practice, listening to other players, and studying the game. Your self-respect will not allow you to cheat, as you know that you are cheating yourself as much as anyone else. Your self-respect will require courtesy and consideration towards other players because you know that doing so will earn you courtesy and respect in return.

All these self-worshipping kids who have high self-esteem have parents with the totally wrong concept of raising children.

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How does this apply? A noob with high self-esteem wants a straight shootout so he can rack up the kills and brag about his skills. He wants to stand behind a tree with his fancy marker, spray paint, and kill everyone without breaking a sweat. He doesn't want to have to work hard or figure something out. He doesn't want to have to think. That would require too much effort. He wants instant gratification of his need for ego-inflation.

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Posted 26 July 2010 - 08:24 PM

View PostI.K.E., on 26 July 2010 - 07:47 PM, said:

Its the fact that kids keep getting coddled from birth that we have such problems.
PARENTS GET A CLUE. Here's a word your child should hear often: NO. Guess what? They won't die when you say it! AND MEAN IT! Say it, say it often, and don't back down. Make them earn things. Make them earn things because it will make them appreciate the things they have, and they will learn from the work they had to do to get it!

Stop stroking your kid's ego in the name of "self-esteem". That's a load of crap. Kids need to learn to RESPECT themselves. And remember that respect is EARNED. What?? YES! Kids need to EARN their RESPECT for THEMSELVES. They learn to respect themselves by having to WORK for it! By having to CHALLENGE THEMSELVES!!! By learning to be INDEPENDENT of their parents and be SELF RELIANT! Does this means parents can't help? Sometimes YES! Sure, a bit of help here and there is a good thing. But more often than not kids aren't getting help....they're getting it done FOR them! For crying out loud! A kid will respect himself when he has been able to accomplish something genuinely of his own skill and wits. A kid who has self-respect has respect for others. A kid who has self-esteem has been told all his life how wonderful he is, no matter how good or bad he may actually be, and hasn't learned to fend for himself.

So. If you have self-esteem....you're going to think that you're a better 'baller than anyone, that your marker shoots better, and you know more than anyone, and you're going to have to do WHATEVER it takes to win so that your self-esteem stays inflated. You're gonna be a stuck-up noob that no one likes.

If you have self-respect, you're gonna play the game fairly, understanding that you are relying on the skills you've DEVELOPED by practice, listening to other players, and studying the game. Your self-respect will not allow you to cheat, as you know that you are cheating yourself as much as anyone else. Your self-respect will require courtesy and consideration towards other players because you know that doing so will earn you courtesy and respect in return.

All these self-worshipping kids who have high self-esteem have parents with the totally wrong concept of raising children.

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How does this apply? A noob with high self-esteem wants a straight shootout so he can rack up the kills and brag about his skills. He wants to stand behind a tree with his fancy marker, spray paint, and kill everyone without breaking a sweat. He doesn't want to have to work hard or figure something out. He doesn't want to have to think. That would require too much effort. He wants instant gratification of his need for ego-inflation.



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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:39 AM

My home field was witnessed to kids being coddled this past weekend. It was a group of four, two dads and two kids. In my opinion they did not really play at all. It was adults vs kids and the adults couldn't shoot. One of the kids figured it out and started running up and shooting the adults. Granted I am sure the kids had fun, but they might be rather upset when they find out people actually shoot back at you in a real game.
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Posted 27 July 2010 - 07:53 PM

View PostDark Shadow Hunter, on 27 July 2010 - 11:39 AM, said:

My home field was witnessed to kids being coddled this past weekend. It was a group of four, two dads and two kids. In my opinion they did not really play at all. It was adults vs kids and the adults couldn't shoot. One of the kids figured it out and started running up and shooting the adults. Granted I am sure the kids had fun, but they might be rather upset when they find out people actually shoot back at you in a real game.


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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:07 PM

old skool is not always the best ... technology advances the sport and keeps interest going .

a lot of kids dont want instruction cuz they are out to have fun, and instruction would be too much like attending school, which no one likes ... some other kids take instruction ok ... i dont think it is specifically this generations thing, rather an every generation thing. our sport is based on having fun and being recreational and loose, and personally i prefer it that way. as technology advances, you can either embrace it and use it, or not ... and then that gives you the right to complain about the good old days and the "purity" and direction of the sport ...lol
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Posted 28 July 2010 - 03:52 PM

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Based on what I'm reading in the responses to the video? It's not isolated. Someone reported being sat out a game for doing the old-school "12 gram hiss". I may show that in a video next Monday, if I have time to film.
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I was the one was forced by a ref to be sat out for doing the 12 gram hiss, it was my last warning of three because, the first one was for sneaking around and shooting and barrel taging the other team, and the 2nd one was for "acting" to be on the other team. I have to agree that the mentality is victory through superior firepower, and whoever gun cost the most. I own a phantom I bought for sale at SuperGame 38 for cheap, and a SA-8 for the cheap promo and mags, and I'm labeled a "noob," even though I've played for 4 years.
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 01:26 AM

I worry about my children. When they start playing paintball, it might be nothing but 'Ok. 3. 2. 1. Start shooting! Oh, you're out because you crouched/moved/ducked from your starting point!!!

Guys, remind me, when I have children, not to let them watch TV or play Video Games. Ever.

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Posted 29 July 2010 - 10:39 AM

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I worry about my children. When they start playing paintball, it might be nothing but 'Ok. 3. 2. 1. Start shooting! Oh, you're out because you crouched/moved/ducked from your starting point!!!

I played at one place in Illinois, a field that catered to newbies basically. So I show up, A-5, 500 rounds, gonna have fun. The first game I played, I knew it was gonna be interesting. You started behind a bunker, so no "breakout" moves. Then when someone got shot, the game was stopped, the shot player would leave, then the game would resume.

It's basically what you're describing, actually. the only difference is that MOST of thes players were new, with the exception of the 4 guys who came with their tourney gear. That made me wonder a little.
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Posted 31 July 2010 - 11:15 AM

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I worry about my children. When they start playing paintball, it might be nothing but 'Ok. 3. 2. 1. Start shooting! Oh, you're out because you crouched/moved/ducked from your starting point!!!

I played at one place in Illinois, a field that catered to newbies basically. So I show up, A-5, 500 rounds, gonna have fun. The first game I played, I knew it was gonna be interesting. You started behind a bunker, so no "breakout" moves. Then when someone got shot, the game was stopped, the shot player would leave, then the game would resume.

It's basically what you're describing, actually. the only difference is that MOST of thes players were new, with the exception of the 4 guys who came with their tourney gear. That made me wonder a little.

yesterday when i was at the field, i was watching a game of open speedball..

everyone but 4 guys (all on the same team) in full tourney gear.. the rest were basically kids

when one of the older "tourney" looking guys was crawling through the snake.. there was two kids behind one bunker that was 5 feet from the end of the snake. (would have been a perfect shot too if this was a tourney) but when he came up and aimed i yelled out TEN FOOT RULE TEN FOOT RULE! and the ref ran like hell to get over there and pull out the 2 kids before they became paint magnets.. the touney guy asked me what my problem was when he got off the field.. and i told him if you were to light them up, not only would it have hurt them, but they would probably not want to play after that...

some peoples attitudes just amaze me when someone is out there trying to make sure everyone is having a good time and not getting their butts handed to them. i was tempted to borrow one of the refs personal markers and run our there with them for a bit but i had to get going home after that.. maybe next time.
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Posted 01 August 2010 - 10:12 PM

Well Thump, you're talking about a safety issue. Its one thing to enforce safety, and quite another to coddle the kiddies. I mean, this sport is intended for adults. Invented by adults, for adults. Sure, kids are playing it more and more, but the fact is that it started as an adult game.

All I'm saying here is, the more the kids get into the game, the more the game will be adjusted to allow them to play. If it had been adults about to get lit up, would you have still called out? You implied that you would not have done so in a tournament. Isn't it the same safety violation?

If you think of this like baseball...what would happen to the games if all of a sudden they started having kids play the game? The answer is that it would get to be more and more like little league. I think we're seeing that in paintball. The more kids we get, the more we have a "little league" paintball mentality. "Don't let the kids get hurt." How about, don't let them play. Or, have them play in a paintball little league.

I'm not suggesting any kind of rules changes to make the game less safe. I'm just saying that the more we let kids in the game, the more watered down it becomes.

This is only one angle on the issue, I'm sure. I could rattle on about our declining society as a whole as another major reason for the decline, but I'll just stop here.
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Posted 02 August 2010 - 03:08 PM

I've never had that simplistic "show up and shoot the other guy" attitude to paintball. I'm only 15, but the majority of the guys I've played with are all 25-30 (and one 63 year old woman) and have some sort of military/combat experience. Simply showing up and shooting at something has never worked for me. I think because of this, I've been forced to think while I play. I avoid 50/50 firefights like the plague, and I've been known to crawl through the forest for good lengths of time. So I can't really relate to the video.

About the video games though: if I had the time and money to play paintball whenever I wanted, I wouldn't ever play video games.
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Posted 02 August 2010 - 03:13 PM

View PostWags94, on 02 August 2010 - 06:08 PM, said:

I've never had that simplistic "show up and shoot the other guy" attitude to paintball. I'm only 15, but the majority of the guys I've played with are all 25-30 (and one 63 year old woman) and have some sort of military/combat experience. Simply showing up and shooting at something has never worked for me. I think because of this, I've been forced to think while I play. I avoid 50/50 firefights like the plague, and I've been known to crawl through the forest for good lengths of time. So I can't really relate to the video.

About the video games though: if I had the time and money to play paintball whenever I wanted, I wouldn't ever play video games.



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Posted 02 August 2010 - 04:28 PM

View PostWags94, on 02 August 2010 - 06:08 PM, said:

I've never had that simplistic "show up and shoot the other guy" attitude to paintball. I'm only 15, but the majority of the guys I've played with are all 25-30 (and one 63 year old woman) and have some sort of military/combat experience. Simply showing up and shooting at something has never worked for me. I think because of this, I've been forced to think while I play. I avoid 50/50 firefights like the plague, and I've been known to crawl through the forest for good lengths of time. So I can't really relate to the video.

About the video games though: if I had the time and money to play paintball whenever I wanted, I wouldn't ever play video games.



I completely agree with the last part, that video games are a miserable replacement for paintball.

However, as to the original topic, I have been told that my tactics in paintball "aren't realistic." When I asked why they would call them that (as they had proved to be effective that day), the person responded that the vast military experience of COD and Halo proved my paintball tactics were useless. I was absolutely speechless.

I wish I was making that story up, but that just shows the effect video games have had on certain players in the sport.
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Posted 02 August 2010 - 06:10 PM

View PostInvictusone, on 02 August 2010 - 07:28 PM, said:

I wish I was making that story up, but that just shows the effect video games have had on certain players in the sport.


You can't expect the children of a foolish/selfish/childish society to understand the difference between reality, and fiction. :D
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Posted 02 August 2010 - 08:08 PM

View PostZz Loth zZ, on 02 August 2010 - 08:10 PM, said:

View PostInvictusone, on 02 August 2010 - 07:28 PM, said:

I wish I was making that story up, but that just shows the effect video games have had on certain players in the sport.


You can't expect the children of a foolish/selfish/childish society to understand the difference between reality, and fiction. :P


Right. Because they've never been in contact with reality.
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