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#61 User is offline   Fenrisulfr 

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Posted 02 March 2010 - 06:47 PM

View PostWarpaint, on Mar 2 2010, 08:17 PM, said:

However, getting back to the subject of this post, it probably wasn't a black man who hung the noose. Now if someone had put a box of Saltines up in that tree, it would be a different story.


That would be called funny. Hang perfectly good crackers up in a tree? Please. Grab some butter and ketchuo and you have yourself some sandwiches.

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Posted 02 March 2010 - 08:07 PM

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View PostWarpaint, on Mar 2 2010, 01:44 PM, said:

Well, in keeping things in perspective, if you were a minority, particularly a black minority, what do you think your "perspective" would be on seeing a noose displayed on your campus or in your neighborhood? Again, in the Old West, a noose might be seen as a warning to horse thieves. Is there a horse theft issue on this campus? In the south, it was and is still today a warning against black disobedience of white supremacy. There is no "assumption of the worst" to be made...the intended message of intimidation was clearly sent.

First of all, my perspective SHOULDN'T depend on what color my skin is. Second, guessing intentions isn't my game, but the history of that symbol is, in fact, the reason I said the noose was at best a distasteful joke. You're not really looking for any possible explanation other than "KKK douchebag wants to murder black people." If that's the case, you and me can go beat his ass together.... but I'm just not convinced that's what's going on.


You're right...it shouldn't...but unfortunately, we all know that it does. I suspect you don't want to second guess intentions because you don't like the inevitable answer. The people who hung the noose knew what it symbolized, whether they did it as a "joke", or a warning. It's interesting how many people do something really stupid, then defend themselves later by saying, "It was just a joke." Again, if you were a black person, I don't think you would see the humor in it...no amount of "convincing" would likely change that.

.... and see, this is what gets me. "If I was black," I bet I would have a very different life, no doubt, but right now only one of us is making racial assumptions.
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Posted 03 March 2010 - 06:53 AM

Race isn't the defining factor of anyone, unless they choose to make it so.

If I were black, would I have lived a different life? Well no kidding I would, because I'd have been born to a different family than I was. Whole new set of people and experiences to go with that.

But, at the same time, I could go through life's experiences and say "what if this were different," and a completely different life could emerge from any of them.

There's no way to fully know what would be different about a person, and frankly it's a waste of time to consider it. What matters is we are who we are through life's experiences and our decisions of how we handle what comes up. Plain and simple.

So, nobody can accurately say what I (or anyone else for that matter) would be thinking if XYZ was different.

I've seen worse things done in the name of a "joke." Odds are that in the worst case it was, as MDK said, just a distasteful joke. Assuming it was intended to actually threaten anyone is foolish.

And honestly, I think the whole "Noose = racial intimidation" crowd lost a whole lot of credibility when they cried racism to a hanging man Halloween decoration... and the figure in the noose was white.
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Posted 03 March 2010 - 06:39 PM

View PostFenrisulfr, on Mar 2 2010, 08:47 PM, said:

View PostWarpaint, on Mar 2 2010, 08:17 PM, said:

However, getting back to the subject of this post, it probably wasn't a black man who hung the noose. Now if someone had put a box of Saltines up in that tree, it would be a different story.


That would be called funny. Hang perfectly good crackers up in a tree? Please. Grab some butter and ketchuo and you have yourself some sandwiches.


It would have made me laugh too...and I don't think anyone finds a box of Saltines particularly intimidating.
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Posted 03 March 2010 - 06:44 PM

View PostMurderDeathKill, on Mar 2 2010, 10:07 PM, said:

View PostWarpaint, on Mar 2 2010, 07:02 PM, said:

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View PostWarpaint, on Mar 2 2010, 01:44 PM, said:

Well, in keeping things in perspective, if you were a minority, particularly a black minority, what do you think your "perspective" would be on seeing a noose displayed on your campus or in your neighborhood? Again, in the Old West, a noose might be seen as a warning to horse thieves. Is there a horse theft issue on this campus? In the south, it was and is still today a warning against black disobedience of white supremacy. There is no "assumption of the worst" to be made...the intended message of intimidation was clearly sent.

First of all, my perspective SHOULDN'T depend on what color my skin is. Second, guessing intentions isn't my game, but the history of that symbol is, in fact, the reason I said the noose was at best a distasteful joke. You're not really looking for any possible explanation other than "KKK douchebag wants to murder black people." If that's the case, you and me can go beat his ass together.... but I'm just not convinced that's what's going on.


You're right...it shouldn't...but unfortunately, we all know that it does. I suspect you don't want to second guess intentions because you don't like the inevitable answer. The people who hung the noose knew what it symbolized, whether they did it as a "joke", or a warning. It's interesting how many people do something really stupid, then defend themselves later by saying, "It was just a joke." Again, if you were a black person, I don't think you would see the humor in it...no amount of "convincing" would likely change that.

.... and see, this is what gets me. "If I was black," I bet I would have a very different life, no doubt, but right now only one of us is making racial assumptions.


That was a racial assumption...so maybe not only one of us is doing so, hmmm?
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Posted 03 March 2010 - 06:50 PM

Read the book Black Like Me The guy that wrote the book pretty much proved that point. even though it was in the 60's....
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Posted 03 March 2010 - 07:27 PM

I feel like alot of people dont see the difference between racism and hate, or racial hate.

EVERYONE is racist...if you dont admit that then you are a liar.

But just because you are racist doesnt mean you feel hate towards another race. The party may have been racist, but it wasnt hate...they wernt going through streets harassing people they were making a joke. Which in many ways was true, and I guarantee you black people were there.

Hanging a noose, well thats more racial hate. That is bringing harm onto someone and not funny at all.
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Posted 03 March 2010 - 08:52 PM

View PostWarpaint, on Mar 3 2010, 07:44 PM, said:

That was a racial assumption...so maybe not only one of us is doing so, hmmm?

Well if you want to be technical that was a cultural assumption, because I was basing that on how I would have been treated by others.... but more importantly, I want you to look at your point. Look at it. Look at the point you're arguing with me. Your point is that, well, obviously black people are going to assume that white supremacists hung a noose in the tree to threaten their lives, and they'll be offended. Which of course, I wouldn't understand, because I'd rather not second-guess a white guy's intentions. That's the point you're arguing, so far as I can see. So...... care to rephrase that for me? Or what's your endgame here?
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Posted 03 March 2010 - 11:33 PM

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View PostTim Burton, on Mar 2 2010, 12:38 AM, said:




As much as I tried to stay out of this......


How in the world is five examples a long history? :Help:

And trust me white supremacist had a longer history of hanging nooses and actually using them.

And what the hell is a protected group?



Those 5 were just on the first google page. Plus one was a compilation list of fake hangings, so it was definitely more than 5.

Can you show me a rash of whites hanging nooses on campi in the last 10 or 15 years? The fact is that the number skews one way when it comes to the domain of hanging nooses on campus.

We aren't talking about the noose in history, which by the way lynched more whites than blacks, we are talking about the noose on campus. The fact remains that contemporary hangings of it on campus, tend to be blacks who are faking racial tension.

Next you're going to tell me that blacks fought in greater numbers for the North than the South and Jackson's unit of black troops was a myth.

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 12:56 AM

^ No next i'm not even going to argue with you.
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Posted 04 March 2010 - 01:27 AM

View Postoutlaw-master, on Mar 4 2010, 12:56 AM, said:

^ No next i'm not even going to argue with you.



It's ok. It's easier to walk away than actually admit you don't know what you're talking about....

If I'm so wrong, please show me the rash number of white's hanging nooses on campi. It should be simple. I made a statement of fact, if my fact is wrong (there is not a rash of whites hanging nooses on campi to intimidate blacks), then it should be simple to point me to the SPLC or such listing the "crimes".

The last sentence is also historically verifiable. If it isn't, then show otherwise.
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Posted 04 March 2010 - 05:05 AM

View PostTim Burton, on Mar 4 2010, 02:27 AM, said:

If I'm so wrong, please show me the rash number of white's hanging nooses on campi. It should be simple. I made a statement of fact, if my fact is wrong (there is not a rash of whites hanging nooses on campi to intimidate blacks), then it should be simple to point me to the SPLC or such listing the "crimes".

That's not how debating works.... when you make a claim, YOU get to back it up. So, I guess I'm calling you on it. Source please?


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The fact remains that contemporary hangings of it on campus, tend to be blacks who are faking racial tension.

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Posted 04 March 2010 - 03:21 PM

View PostMurderDeathKill, on Mar 4 2010, 06:05 AM, said:

View PostTim Burton, on Mar 4 2010, 02:27 AM, said:

If I'm so wrong, please show me the rash number of white's hanging nooses on campi. It should be simple. I made a statement of fact, if my fact is wrong (there is not a rash of whites hanging nooses on campi to intimidate blacks), then it should be simple to point me to the SPLC or such listing the "crimes".

That's not how debating works.... when you make a claim, YOU get to back it up. So, I guess I'm calling you on it. Source please?


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The fact remains that contemporary hangings of it on campus, tend to be blacks who are faking racial tension.




Yeah that's why I stopped debating him. He claims all his statements are facts but he forgets that you have to prove something for it to be fact.
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Posted 04 March 2010 - 05:01 PM

Give him a chance now... Just because you doubt it, doesn't mean it's NOT a fact. This works both ways. But -- yes, he should probably be posting a source at some point here.
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Posted 04 March 2010 - 07:19 PM

View PostMurderDeathKill, on Mar 3 2010, 10:52 PM, said:

View PostWarpaint, on Mar 3 2010, 07:44 PM, said:

That was a racial assumption...so maybe not only one of us is doing so, hmmm?

Well if you want to be technical that was a cultural assumption, because I was basing that on how I would have been treated by others.... but more importantly, I want you to look at your point. Look at it. Look at the point you're arguing with me. Your point is that, well, obviously black people are going to assume that white supremacists hung a noose in the tree to threaten their lives, and they'll be offended. Which of course, I wouldn't understand, because I'd rather not second-guess a white guy's intentions. That's the point you're arguing, so far as I can see. So...... care to rephrase that for me? Or what's your endgame here?


No, one of the points I am making is that a noose in a tree isn't a joke, it's intimidation. I doubt it's white supremacists, although maybe wannabes and an easy out, but really it's more likely just random white stupidity. My other point is, it's not the nitwits who hung the noose who are in the best position to decide whether it was hurtful, but the people who it was aimed at, hence my slapper and slappee analogy. It's like the bully who punches another kid in the arm, and when the kid cries and attracts the attention of others, the bully denies hitting the kid that hard...the kid is faking. How many people buy that when the bruise starts blooming? You claim you are having trouble understanding my points, but that appears to be more an issue of denial, than comprehension. Is all that rephrased enough for you?

Endgame? There is no endgame in the internet, didn't you know that? No one wins an argument or debate or whatever people presume to call what they are doing here...and really, debates don't influence perspective much, but rather instead increase polarization. Despite that, there are still plenty of losers.

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