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Posted 18 September 2008 - 03:13 AM

View Postoerllikon, on Sep 16 2008, 10:53 PM, said:

oh evil, i get what youre saying. i know that it happens over time. you cant expect the same voice for almost 30 years

Exactly and it irks me to see what other Metallica Fans say negatively about them, I mean hell its never easy for a Rock Band or a Rock Singer to become a Living Legend and to be inducted into the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame.

I even remember when Metallica Fans went insane and said all kinds of crap in Kerrang and other rock magazines and thats when the whole band cut their Long Hair and released their long awaited and come back "Load" CD back in 97 or 98.
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Posted 18 September 2008 - 03:51 PM

Despite what others may say, Load is one of my favorite albums by them. Totally different than Puppets, which I like as well, but it's good stuff nonetheless. St. Anger just sucked all around. We'll see how good this one is.
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Posted 19 September 2008 - 11:46 PM

I heard a lot of he album through Guitar Hero, the radio, and YouTube.

I thought it was OK. The thing about Metallica is that they're not kids anymore -- they can't be singing about fighting and getting BOINKed up all the time anymore, because I think they all even have kids themselves.

That said, Metallica isn't playing for the same audience. You could call this selling out, or you could just say they're getting old, but whatever. This isn't the "good" Metallica that was playing songs at over 200bpm with everyone in the band going nuts on stage. It's almost a different band. In this respect, Metallica is great. But when you see them as one whole band that started 30ish years ago and compare the then and now, you can see how their career smashed into the ground.

Metallica's career has taken a nose dive since 1986 for sure, but the people who were listening to them in the 80's are getting older as well and the music of Metallica is aging with them.

If you think about it, Slipknot did the EXACT same thing with All Hope Is Gone. The difference however, is that All Hope Is Gone is actually a decent album, while this stuff is pretty mediocre. I can't say it's terrible because it isn't... it's just a very bland and generic album with a bunch of songs with cool names and bad lyrics.

I mean, there is no way anything on this album could compare to stuff like The Call of Ktulu, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, Orion, Leper Messiah, No Remorse, etc.

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Posted 20 September 2008 - 06:05 PM

only song on this I liked was "all nightmare long", others were meh

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Posted 17 October 2008 - 09:47 AM

I have to admit I did not throw them under the bus when they came out with some of their more recent albums because I never expect anything to stay the same and their live shows are still amazing even though they're "old" by today's standards.

The first time I listened to DM, all I heard was a mash up of different pieces of music wrapped up in a single song title. But the more I listen to it the more I have come to "understand" how those pieces fit together and are more alike than not.

Still not a fan of Unforgiven III or Suicide & Redemption but the other ones are definately growing on me.
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Posted 17 October 2008 - 10:34 AM

View Postghost93, on Sep 8 2008, 06:49 PM, said:

I liked "The Day that Never Comes" The video for it was a heaping load of fail though. It had pretty much nothing to do with the song.

Revenge never came. It has a lot to do with it...

Unforgiven III - I expected it to fit better with the other 2, but I still like it.

I like the CD, of course, not as much as the old stuff. Doens't mean its still not good.

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Posted 19 October 2008 - 04:30 AM

I think Death Magnetic is a great bridge between the old and the new. Many of the songs are for sure reminiscent of the old glory days of the band, while at the same time you can detect the band experimenting with new sounds and styles. I think they did a superb job in bridging the gap and producing an album that appeals to fans of the old as well as fans of the new. By no means has James' voice grown weaker with age. It has matured and like a good wine his voice has only improved with age. I like how he sounds now. Deeper, darker, a more gravely texture than his younger years.

I tend to get a bit bent out of shape when people talk about so-called "old" vs "new" Metallica, and accuse them of being sell outs, and claim their career has been nose diving since 1986. Every Metal band out there with exception to Slayer and Megadeath should kneel and pay homage to Metallica for what they have done for the genre over the years.

People should be more open-minded and flexible. I have no problem with a band spreading it's wings a little bit and experimenting with different sounds and styles. It's a must if they are to survive. Metallica has been around for almost thirty years. Other bands their age are stuck playing county and state fairs while Metallica continues to play to sold out crowds. What would happen to any business that refused to change over three decades? They'd be history. Metallica has played it smart and kept themselves relevant to the metal scene. Of course not every album and every song is going to appeal to 100% of the fans in the same ways.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 06:47 AM

View PostNo Quarter, on Oct 19 2008, 04:30 AM, said:

I think Death Magnetic is a great bridge between the old and the new. Many of the songs are for sure reminiscent of the old glory days of the band, while at the same time you can detect the band experimenting with new sounds and styles. I think they did a superb job in bridging the gap and producing an album that appeals to fans of the old as well as fans of the new. By no means has James' voice grown weaker with age. It has matured and like a good wine his voice has only improved with age. I like how he sounds now. Deeper, darker, a more gravely texture than his younger years.

I tend to get a bit bent out of shape when people talk about so-called "old" vs "new" Metallica, and accuse them of being sell outs, and claim their career has been nose diving since 1986. Every Metal band out there with exception to Slayer and Megadeath should kneel and pay homage to Metallica for what they have done for the genre over the years.

People should be more open-minded and flexible. I have no problem with a band spreading it's wings a little bit and experimenting with different sounds and styles. It's a must if they are to survive. Metallica has been around for almost thirty years. Other bands their age are stuck playing county and state fairs while Metallica continues to play to sold out crowds. What would happen to any business that refused to change over three decades? They'd be history. Metallica has played it smart and kept themselves relevant to the metal scene. Of course not every album and every song is going to appeal to 100% of the fans in the same ways.

Well a lot of self proclaimed metal heads like a lot of different bands, and thats a lot of different sounds. So whats wrong with a band becoming a different sound? Its nothing no one isn't already acustomed to...
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 06:51 AM

they were good up until black album. when i heard unforgiven on an r&b/hiphop station in california that confirmed the suckyness of the black album and the band in general. making that left turn to please the mainstream is the worst they could have done. however, they did get the bass player from suidicial tendencies. they rock...

just watched the video. i hate it when people try to play marine. they just end up looking stupid. ill explain.
1. marines never travel in lone vehicles outside of secured ereas.
2. you always use the woundeds med kit not your own.
3. that .50 would have been loaded already.
4. the whole team wouldnt have gone up to the car.

other than that they need to get rid of james. the band rocks but the singing sounds the same as when he started singing like that on the black album. maybe they should get dave mustaine back to straighten them out.

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Posted 19 October 2008 - 12:53 PM

View PostTeufel_Hunden, on Oct 19 2008, 09:51 AM, said:

other than that they need to get rid of james. the band rocks but the singing sounds the same as when he started singing like that on the black album. maybe they should get dave mustaine back to straighten them out.

Mustaine was the guitarist, not the singer though.

View PostNo Quarter, on Oct 19 2008, 07:30 AM, said:

I think Death Magnetic is a great bridge between the old and the new. Many of the songs are for sure reminiscent of the old glory days of the band, while at the same time you can detect the band experimenting with new sounds and styles. I think they did a superb job in bridging the gap and producing an album that appeals to fans of the old as well as fans of the new. By no means has James' voice grown weaker with age. It has matured and like a good wine his voice has only improved with age. I like how he sounds now. Deeper, darker, a more gravely texture than his younger years.

I tend to get a bit bent out of shape when people talk about so-called "old" vs "new" Metallica, and accuse them of being sell outs, and claim their career has been nose diving since 1986. Every Metal band out there with exception to Slayer and Megadeath should kneel and pay homage to Metallica for what they have done for the genre over the years.

People should be more open-minded and flexible. I have no problem with a band spreading it's wings a little bit and experimenting with different sounds and styles. It's a must if they are to survive. Metallica has been around for almost thirty years. Other bands their age are stuck playing county and state fairs while Metallica continues to play to sold out crowds. What would happen to any business that refused to change over three decades? They'd be history. Metallica has played it smart and kept themselves relevant to the metal scene. Of course not every album and every song is going to appeal to 100% of the fans in the same ways.

Metallica's career HAS been nose diving since 1986. Sorry if that offends you, but it's straight fact. Why? Because Cliff died. yes, Cliff is one of my favorite bassists and am I am slightly biased -- but Cliff was an amazing player. And Cliff was also a great musician. When Cliff came into Metallica, they were a bunch of punks with guitars. Cliff taught them musicianship, and that's what made them successful. Cliff essentially taught them how to be better players, and without Cliff's guidance, they took a nose dive.

No one in Metallica has ever been an outstanding musician besides Cliff. Lars is OK and Hammet is mediocre at best. Someone needs to take his wah pedal away though.

You're also confusing "experimenting" with "unoriginal." Hetfield can't sing-ah, his voice is too old-ah. I agree that they should try different things, and if "Whiplash" was all they put out then they wouldn't be anywhere. But Songs like the Call of Ktulu and Orion are experimental. Not this new stuff that's terrible. All they're doing is putting out generic rock -- and it even SOUNDS LIKE they're trying to hard!

Bands don't last forever. They shouldn't. Metallica is too old now. Their time is gone. While I don't jump music scenes, ever, I already do understand that there is a time and a place for each band. When that band's time is up, a new one will take their place. But that doesn't mean you should stop listening to their old stuff.

To put it in simple terms, Metallica's well of music is dry now, and that's why it's bad. Every song has crappy solos. It's just Metallica hoping to recover. Like I said, their time is over. Their creative well began to deplete after Puppets.

And saying Megadeth shouldn't pay homage to Metallica is insane -- while Megadeth didn't get an influence from Metallica, if there wasn't a Metallica, Mustaine may have never of formed Megadeth. Or even if Mustaine was in Metallica and they didn't kick him out, there wouldn't be a Megadeth. Kicking Mustaine out is the greatest thing Metallica ever did.

And "No Quarter" reminds me of something my friend said (No Quarter is his favorite song)...
"the new Metallica album is the definition of a cluster BOINK. It is Metallica trying to throw everything they've ever done into one album and it sounds terrible."

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Posted 19 October 2008 - 02:00 PM

View PostTeufel_Hunden, on Oct 19 2008, 06:51 AM, said:

they were good up until black album. when i heard unforgiven on an r&b/hiphop station in california that confirmed the suckyness of the black album and the band in general. making that left turn to please the mainstream is the worst they could have done. however, they did get the bass player from suidicial tendencies. they rock...

just watched the video. i hate it when people try to play marine. they just end up looking stupid. ill explain.
1. marines never travel in lone vehicles outside of secured ereas.
2. you always use the woundeds med kit not your own.
3. that .50 would have been loaded already.
4. the whole team wouldnt have gone up to the car.

other than that they need to get rid of james. the band rocks but the singing sounds the same as when he started singing like that on the black album. maybe they should get dave mustaine back to straighten them out.

1. Maybe they thought it was secure.
2. True
3. Not if they thought it was secure...
4. The whoel team didnt.

Let me add one
5. Its a music video. It is not a marine recruitment/trainign video. Get over it.

His voice, just like Mustaine's, has changed. If Megadeth would've went more mainstream (because they did go a littel mainstream) the self-proclaimed true fans would've cried foul in the minescule difference.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 08:53 PM

View PostStealingYerMail, on Oct 19 2008, 01:53 PM, said:

View PostTeufel_Hunden, on Oct 19 2008, 09:51 AM, said:

other than that they need to get rid of james. the band rocks but the singing sounds the same as when he started singing like that on the black album. maybe they should get dave mustaine back to straighten them out.

Mustaine was the guitarist, not the singer though.

View PostNo Quarter, on Oct 19 2008, 07:30 AM, said:

I think Death Magnetic is a great bridge between the old and the new. Many of the songs are for sure reminiscent of the old glory days of the band, while at the same time you can detect the band experimenting with new sounds and styles. I think they did a superb job in bridging the gap and producing an album that appeals to fans of the old as well as fans of the new. By no means has James' voice grown weaker with age. It has matured and like a good wine his voice has only improved with age. I like how he sounds now. Deeper, darker, a more gravely texture than his younger years.

I tend to get a bit bent out of shape when people talk about so-called "old" vs "new" Metallica, and accuse them of being sell outs, and claim their career has been nose diving since 1986. Every Metal band out there with exception to Slayer and Megadeath should kneel and pay homage to Metallica for what they have done for the genre over the years.

People should be more open-minded and flexible. I have no problem with a band spreading it's wings a little bit and experimenting with different sounds and styles. It's a must if they are to survive. Metallica has been around for almost thirty years. Other bands their age are stuck playing county and state fairs while Metallica continues to play to sold out crowds. What would happen to any business that refused to change over three decades? They'd be history. Metallica has played it smart and kept themselves relevant to the metal scene. Of course not every album and every song is going to appeal to 100% of the fans in the same ways.

Metallica's career HAS been nose diving since 1986. Sorry if that offends you, but it's straight fact. Why? Because Cliff died. yes, Cliff is one of my favorite bassists and am I am slightly biased -- but Cliff was an amazing player. And Cliff was also a great musician. When Cliff came into Metallica, they were a bunch of punks with guitars. Cliff taught them musicianship, and that's what made them successful. Cliff essentially taught them how to be better players, and without Cliff's guidance, they took a nose dive.

No one in Metallica has ever been an outstanding musician besides Cliff. Lars is OK and Hammet is mediocre at best. Someone needs to take his wah pedal away though.

You're also confusing "experimenting" with "unoriginal." Hetfield can't sing-ah, his voice is too old-ah. I agree that they should try different things, and if "Whiplash" was all they put out then they wouldn't be anywhere. But Songs like the Call of Ktulu and Orion are experimental. Not this new stuff that's terrible. All they're doing is putting out generic rock -- and it even SOUNDS LIKE they're trying to hard!

Bands don't last forever. They shouldn't. Metallica is too old now. Their time is gone. While I don't jump music scenes, ever, I already do understand that there is a time and a place for each band. When that band's time is up, a new one will take their place. But that doesn't mean you should stop listening to their old stuff.

To put it in simple terms, Metallica's well of music is dry now, and that's why it's bad. Every song has crappy solos. It's just Metallica hoping to recover. Like I said, their time is over. Their creative well began to deplete after Puppets.

And saying Megadeth shouldn't pay homage to Metallica is insane -- while Megadeth didn't get an influence from Metallica, if there wasn't a Metallica, Mustaine may have never of formed Megadeth. Or even if Mustaine was in Metallica and they didn't kick him out, there wouldn't be a Megadeth. Kicking Mustaine out is the greatest thing Metallica ever did.

And "No Quarter" reminds me of something my friend said (No Quarter is his favorite song)...
"the new Metallica album is the definition of a cluster BOINK. It is Metallica trying to throw everything they've ever done into one album and it sounds terrible."



Yes Cliff Burton was a major influence on the band and what a tragic loss, but I think it's a stretch to say the band has been nose diving since 1986. Twenty two years and six albums later (not to mention Garage inc and SNM) is a long time to nose dive and still be in the air. It might be your OPINION that their music has been in a nose dive, but certainly the band as a success has not. I don't want to mar the memory of Cliff, but to say that the band has been dead since Cliff died is to ignore the success of "And Justice For All" the band's first album after Burton's death. It was the band's first ablum to hit in the top ten of Billboards 200 list, and was certified platnum after just nine weeks from it's release. Not to mention Metallica's first grammy nomination to boot.

Then we have to look at the undeniable successes of "Metallica", "Load", and "Reload". . .all three albums peaking in at number one on the top 200 list. "Metallica" has been certified 15 times platinum making it the 25th top selling album of a US band. Since Cliff Burton's death Metallica has won: Seven Grammy Awards, Two MTV Music Video Awards, Two American Music Awards, and three Billboard Music Awards. ALL AFTER CLIFF BURTON WAS GONE.

Metallica is one of the most successful American bands of all time, most of that success being achieved after the death of Cliff Burton. That's not exactly what I would call a "nose dive". Or "The well running dry".

As far as Megadeath paying homage to Metallica. I gave them and Slayer the exception because they were out there tearing up the scene at the same time as contemporaries.

I said what I said already about James' voice. It fits the lyrics, tone, and mood of the music. If I want to hear a crystal clear voice smooth like honey, I'll go buy a Josh Groban album. But for heavy metal, I'm-ah Just fine-ah with James-ah.

But to each his own. If you don't like anything they've done beyond 86 then that's your perrogative I guess. I do feel there are too many people out there, that decided they hated Death Magnetic before it was even released. For some people Metallica can do nothing right. In my book they can do nothing wrong. Except for St. Anger.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 10:13 PM

Well, success in music to me at least isn't measured by how many hits you can have. AJFA and the Black album are great, in fact the Black album is what made me get into Metallica. When I say nose dive however, I mean the albums after the Black album. Although I think Puppets was where it started going down, because of Cliff. But that's not to say AJFA isn't impressive. I love Blackened and the title track.

I'm not saying their success itself went down -- but the quality and musicianship of their music has, and that's what I'm referring to. MTV is a testament to how America sees music, and going by that, Billboard successes mean nothing. I said in my original post that Metallica's sound is aging with their fans from back in the day (no offense intended) but to a younger crowd, I don't know, I just wouldn't want a young kid hearing "Death Magnetic" and thinking that was what Metallica has always sounded like.

I didn't hate Death Magnetic before it was released. In fact, I heard "Death Is Not The End." I don't know what happened to that, if it was fake (or to be honest, if it even is on the album) but that song had me more pumped for Death Magnetic than anyone else I knew personally. But when I heard the actual songs from the album, I was disappointed.

So I guess what I've been meaning is that the musicianship has declined, and you can't leave that up to billboards and charts to determine.


As for the well running dry, what I mean is, every song sounds the same now, partly because of Kirk and partly because of Jame's dry voice. Hence the lack of musicianship. But hey, at least they're not Trivium.

As for why they're successful, it's simple. They're Metallica. Just like Tippmann, people will always associate them for "being good" and will like them for their name, not so much what they are, if that makes sense. A lot of people wouldn't care enough to wonder why Metallica sounds so different. That doesn't make them less of a fan, but most people probably aren't as anal about me as Cliff and the awesomeness he brought to that band. For the record, all the success was after Cliff -- but some interview with Hammett (I think) said that Hammett (or whoever) doubted Cliff would have even liked all this fame and would want to only play small venues, because Cliff's the man.

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Posted 19 October 2008 - 11:36 PM

The band has evolved with the times. Have you ever seen an eighty year old man with a Playboy bunny logo tattoo? It looks ridiculous, and so would a band of forty five year olds trying to look and sound like they are twenty. Metallica knows this and has been succesfull at evolving their look and sound so as to remain a serious band in the metal genre. There are few bands who have been able to pull this off. Other bands who refuse to evolve end up fading away and find themselves playing all their old out-dated yet nostalgic tunes at middle America's local civic centers.

If you can't judge succes by numbers of albums sold, placement on charts, grammy awards, etc. then how do you measure it?

Death Magnetic to me was a tremendous sigh of relief after St. Anger. I feel that the band has been under considerable criticism over the last few years, and with DM they've totally redeemed themselves. Just like when Lloyd Christmas traded the van for the scooter. DM is a serious and well played heavy metal album that superbly bridges the gap between their old and new sound.

But, I will admit that I would be considered one of those "older" fans. I'm only ten years younger than James! It's not all about BPM to me. I like it when they take their time with songs like, "Nothing Else Matters", "The Unforgiven", and "The Day That Never Comes" Just the haunting tone and lyrics of songs like those can be just as hard as thrashers like "Battery"

PS: speaking on Metallica's fan base getting older. Have you ever been to a Metallica concert? The ages of the attendees usually covers the whole gamut of old and young. I don't think people are just going to like Metallica because they are Metallica. Or Tippmann just because it's Tippmann. There has to be some quality to the product or fans will fall away. They must be appealing to the masses by other means than just a big name.

Anyway, I think were just getting down to debating musical taste and opinion, where the argument can go on and on. It's like arguing if red is a cooler color than blue. Which in fact it is.
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Posted 20 October 2008 - 12:04 AM

As for them evolving, I mentioned that in one of the earlier, earlier posts I made in this thread which at this time was maybe a month ago or so, so I know what you mean.

As for success, it's hard to describe. As someone who plays an instrument, success to me is just how my music would be able to touch people, if at all. They way I see a band if their successful is based around how they sound and their musicianship as a whole.

As for the Tippmann idea, you're right and that's the point I was trying to make, and I should have worded that differently. Metallica has their name associated with quality, so no matter what they put out. some people will follow it. However that isn't necessarily a bad thing.

And yeah, it does come down to musical tastes so I guess at this point we can both agree on red is better than blue.

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