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Smoke Grenade Safety

#1 User is offline   Puzuma 

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Posted 23 July 2006 - 08:06 AM

It seems like everyone wants to know about smoke grenades.

Before we get into the actual discussion lets have the typical reminder of the forum rules.

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7a. No posts about "how to" make or use homemade explosive devices, (flash bangs, smoke grenades, explosive devices) Commercially available smoke devices are "OK" to talk about, however consider that not all fields allow these, in fact most do NOT.


Note the red and green text in particular.

Those of you that play speedball don't need to worry about smoke on the field (although that could be fun), but since most of us are in the woods and many peolpe wear ghillie suits fire is a MAJOR issue.

Types of smoke grenades:

Burning vs Bursting - Both types generate heat. Busrting however is far more dangerous for paintball purposes. Bursting smoke grenades contain white phosphorous, which catches fire in the air, burning with yellow flame and producing a lot of phosphorous pentoxide (which manifests as white smoke). The bursting grenade also serves as an incendiary device. As you can see the fire hazard can be considered extreme, and the personal danger due to mishandleing or bad aim is even more so. Should you end up with bursting grenade handle with caution and dispose of it safely.

Hot vs cold - The term "cold burn" is relative, the smoke grenade may be cooler than the average firework during normal use but this does not in any way imply that the device does not generate heat. All smoke grenades generate heat of some sort and this heat can and will start a fire if not watched closely.

The majority of smoke grenades work the same, pull a pin to start the ignitor, the ignitor burns the chemicals that creates the smoke. Depending on the chemical compostion of the grenade some may generate more flame than others. Before using ANY smoke grenade test one in a safe environment. Should you test it at home, contact the police, fire department and neighbors to inform them of your intentions and prevent any misunderstandings.

Once you've seen how your particular grenade works you should be able to decide if it's woodsball safe, in other words NO external flame. Check the area for burn damage. Lots of scoarch damage could indicate possible fire hazzard.

The next thing to do is to confrim with your field/event organizer that your particular brand of smoke grenade is allowed in the game. If they aren't, don't bother arguing. Buy whatever they supply or use nothing. Use only in designated areas and witha ref's permission.

If you play outlaw then use your head. A coffee can filled with sand will help insulate a cold smoke grenade from the ground. Designate "safe use" areas on the field and clear all low hanging branches and dried leaves. Make sure there is a way to pur out the fire should one occur, a small fire extinguisher should be inplace before the game and removed after wards.

Below are some links to buy smoke grenades. Most companies WILL NOT ship across borders.

http://www.kaboomfir...insmokgren.html Toronto Canada , doesn't specify if it's hot or cold.

http://www.keepshooting.com/militarysurplu...res_surplus.htm Waldorf, MD Exposed flame.

http://www.evhill.co...ite_Grenade.htm Rohnert Park CA Doesn't specify if it's hot or cold.

http://www.force-ten.com/police1.html Anacortes, WA These ones require the fuse to be lit witha lighter.


I have not purchased from any of these locations and selected them because they display a decent cross setion of smoke grenades.

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Posted 23 July 2006 - 08:12 AM

A little side note found out the hard way, yes I am an idiot, dont breath too deeply around smoke grenades. They dont taste good.

Very nice post Puzuma, quality post. This is very helpful, and informative. I dont know much about smoke grenades, I just know that if the local Pro Shop sells them I can use them on the field. Thanks, for the lesson in some grenadology.
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 08:57 AM

here are some more links for smoke grenades

http://rap4.com/pain...ade-p-1899.html

http://rap4.com/pain...ite-p-1911.html
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 09:17 AM

Awesome info. Also, be sure of the mechanical dangers aswell as the fire hazards. There are some people that are allergic to certain chemicals in the grenades(its happened) or simply freak out when in a cloud of smoke. I would read about your product or inform others of your product before using. Also make sure they leave no dangerous materials on the field when activated, such as glass(some grenades are lined with glass on the inside).
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 09:20 AM

I seen smoke nades in action and I don't think they work very good.
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 10:51 AM

The kind of smoke grenade I use(Camo Smoke) I can hold in my hand no problem its inda cool although not all grenades allow that.
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 12:10 PM

Be careful guys. I just got warned for talking about how I lit a commercial "hot" smoke nade. Which was considered "how to" make a home made explosive device (smoke nade) and a fire hazard and against forum rules. Just FYI.---Thanks mods for answering my questuions and explaining why I was warned. I know the rules and didn't think I was crossing the line. I'll be more careful next time.

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Posted 23 July 2006 - 02:49 PM

View PostDVLCHLD, on Jul 23 2006, 12:10 PM, said:

Be careful guys. I just got warned for talking about how I lit a commercial "hot" smoke nade. Which was considered "how to" make a home made explosive device (smoke nade) and a fire hazard and against forum rules. Just FYI.---Thanks mods for answering my questuions and explaining why I was warned. I know the rules and didn't think I was crossing the line. I'll be more careful next time.


thanks for the detailed tutorial on how to make my very first home made smoke grenade ! :D
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 03:00 PM

View Postmotherboard1, on Jul 23 2006, 02:49 PM, said:

thanks for the detailed tutorial on how to make my very first home made smoke grenade ! :P

Umm. What? I never posted how to make a smoke 'nade. I buy my smoke 'nades. :D What are you talking about?
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 03:08 PM

we don't really use smoke nades because of the fire hazard....

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Posted 23 July 2006 - 03:20 PM

Who's "we"? The guys at my field have used them for years and years. I just shouldn't be talking about it on SpecOps. Sometimes I forget there's impressionable young kids on here.

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Posted 23 July 2006 - 03:40 PM

now fireworks are not allowed in NY where i live, but we can get smoke grenades, anyone know any regulations or how i can find some out so i can buy these if allowed?
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 03:57 PM

View PostPuzuma, on Jul 23 2006, 11:06 AM, said:

It seems like everyone wants to know about smoke grenades.



http://www.kaboomfir...insmokgren.html Toronto Canada , doesn't specify if it's hot or cold.


I've used the Kaboom pull-pin smoke grenades, not sure if they are cold burning either (not to say they give off alot of heat, just don't hold them). Have also used the little coloured lightable ones, in a can (they do get hot, really hot). I guess the really true cold burning ones are the canister style pull-pin ones, but they are expensive.

Kabooms pull-pin ones are made by Hands Fireworks - trying to get in touch with them to get them a little cheaper then at Kabooms (they are about $12 Can there). For the money, the smoke grenades they sell do kick out alot of smoke, but as with most things, use with caution.
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 04:00 PM

Although cool,
Me and my team will never use smoke grenades. Basically, you have to weigh in all the risk involved. Fire Hazards, personal Injury, and neighbor confusion.

For instance, lets take my field that my team plays on. If we set off any smoke grenade, its going to be seen from the air. If you live in a mountainous area, like WV, where people burn brush, your going to have fire spotter planes in the air. Persoanlly, I dont want to walk off the field and be thrown to the ground and hand-cuffed and accused of Arson, and starting a brush fire.

"Well, why not use orange smoke?"
Orange smoke is one of the international signs of distress. If you pop a orange smoke nade, your going to be spotted even faster, then you got search and rescue, police, and fire coming after you.

So me and my team has decided... No... on the whole smoke nade situation.
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 07:16 PM

Wow. In the years I've been playing paintball I've seen ALOT of smoke being used and I've never seen anyone thrown to the ground and hand cuffed and arrested for arson. I've never paintballed with reckless idiots that start fires. I've also seen alot of orange smoke used and I've never seen search and rescue, police, or the fire dept show up. I guess I've just been lucky. I see alot of pictures in paintball magazines of people using smoke in paintball. I didn't realize it was illegal in some places.
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