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#121 User is offline   SpudCrushr 

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Posted 04 May 2009 - 07:53 PM

View PostsQoshTrEE, on May 4 2009, 10:27 PM, said:

I gave him the F bomb before and now! =D

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Wow, I agree but someone did a really bad photoshopping job on that. You can see where the cord was spliced and where he attempted to patch the bottom of the phone.
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Posted 04 May 2009 - 10:25 PM

View Postike123, on May 4 2009, 06:44 PM, said:

Stuntman has made the most sense in this thread, albeit he was too forgiving. D+ is my grade.


I just dont think that 100 days is long enough to pack in enough FAIL for a really bad grade. Im prepared to wait for it to happen naturally...

But honestly, I think all these F grades are just silly & based on an emotional gut reaction to a few specific Obama positions & policies, rather than a thorough, rational assessment of a new administration based on real political considerations. Like I said earlier - there are alot of minds that were made up a long time ago.
A low grade? Sure! But you cant give a failing grade based on what you think might happen.


I gave him the grade I did not because I like or agree with most of his policies - I dont. But there is more to the presidency than that, and I havnt seen a major failure on his part in these other areas yet. Im too much of a natural "devils advocate" to invest the emotional energy into loving or hating any political figure...so its not that Im forgiving, its just that I dont bother getting worked up about the little stuff.
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Posted 05 May 2009 - 08:59 AM

Well, why wouldn't I have a negative gut reaction to Obama's spending plan? The Democrats were elected to Congress in the 2006 midterms because the American people were tired of so much fiscal irresonsibility and corruption on the part of the Republicans. So what do the Democrats do? They keep spending. What does Obama do? He puts together, or allows to be put together a budget for $3.4 trillion that is projected - by the CBO - to put the country over $9 trillion in debt. And then, Obama has the gall to claim fiscal responsibility for having his departments cut $100 million.

As for foreign policy, he folded to the AKP on the matter of Anders Fogh Rasmussen, having him apologize for previously not apologizing about the Motoons. Apparently, Turkey - supposedly "moderate" - doesn't believe in free speech for the Western world when it comes to Islamic matters. So yes, I grade Obama very negatively for giving in to Turkish blackmail.

Obama didn't visit Normandy, for fear that it would offend the Germans. No lie. Why would modern day Germans be offended at Obama visiting Normandy? Isn't that essentially saying that the Germans are closet Nazi sympathizers? :dodgy:

For all of his apologizing and crusading for world respect, did it get more European help for Afghanistan? No. Did it reprimand Hugo Chavez? No. Did it, and will it, but Russian cooperation on Iran? No. Will it end North Koran dictatorship? No. In short, based on history, long term and short term, I see Obama's foreign policy initiatives as he had currently laid them out to bring nothing but failure.

There is no "little stuff" in the business of being President. Every handshake, every smile, every treaty, every troop deployment, every action, everyt backroom dealing has the potential to affect millions of lives, including mine. Additionally, Obama uses the "I plead ignorance" excuse far, far too much. For example, how about the Air Force One photo op over NYC? Does Obama really expect me to believe that his back up private jet was taken for a joy ride, and two jet fighters were deployed, and he, the POTUS, didn't know about it? bull plop. If he didn't know, he isn't doing his job. If he did know, and he lied to us, that's even worse. Like I said earlier - Obama knew the political landscape coming in to the Presidency. So I don't want to hear him female dog and moan about how hard his job is. He wanted the job, he has the job, and I will grade him on the job he has done over 100 days. I don't dumb down my standards for the sake of political considerations. Accepting excuses from our leaders is what got us into the shape that we're in.
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Posted 05 May 2009 - 09:10 AM

View PostAshrak, on Apr 29 2009, 10:14 PM, said:

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As of 4/29/2009 @ 1010 hours EST

A Grade - 32.5% (101,904 votes)

B Grade - 8.7% (27,156 votes)

C Grade - 6.2% (19,451 votes)

D Grade - 14% (43,806 votes)

F Grade - 38.7% (121,608 votes)


As of 5/5/2009 @ 1209 hours EST

A Grade - 31.9% (112,221 votes)

B Grade - 8.5% (29,723 votes)

C Grade - 6.1% (21,487 votes)

D Grade - 14% (49,157 votes)

F Grade - 39.5% (139,076 votes)

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As a poll this is fairly damning. I wonder why the mainstream media hasn't been reporting on it? After alll, the sample size is much, much larger than the AP polls of 1,000 people on a Saturday afternoon.

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Posted 05 May 2009 - 09:54 AM

Well, unlike the path Obama seems have this nation on, I for one cam coming OUT of debt today instead of going into it.
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Posted 05 May 2009 - 10:05 AM

what I meant by my above comment, is that he doesn't seem like a president to me, he's more like some kind of celebrity, he's in almost every magazine known to man, how many books have been written about him? Why does everybody care? I don't think he'll make a difference personally, I don't think he's gonna get much done, besides stupid things like closing guantanimo. maybe I'm out of the loop, but I don't think he's gonna do anything.

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Posted 05 May 2009 - 10:31 AM

Well that does clear up the content of your last post. But you've got to understand that just because he doesn't "do anything" doesn't mean that his Presidency will be neutral. When you're in a management or leadership position, the one essential job description you will be held to is "responsible for what the company/unit/country does or fails to do." I see a lot of bad leadership qualities in him -- most notably his constant excuses of "inheritance" of a bad economy and his foreign policy of apologies. Yes, Obama probably should apologize to other foreign leaders for certain events in our past, but if you don't get PAST the apologies then all you have is a world of nation's that now looks at the US and says "hey...their Military is over-committed, their economy is failing, and they have a pushover for a President." You can only imagine what some of their next sentences might be.


And @ Stuntman. When I think of grades and grading I try to remember that a 59.9% is an F, 60% is a D. And if C is "average" or "satisfactory" at 70%, B is "good" and A is "exceptional" at 80% and 90% respectively, then my question to you is, why are people so quick to give him an "A for effort?" I think people tend to think of grades on a number scale rather than as they are actually defined, as in a number from 1 through 5, 1 being the lowest -- F -- and 5 being the highest -- A. If you were to actually put it on a number scale it would be a number from 1 through 9, 1-5 being an F, 6 being a D, 7 a C, 8 a B, and 9 an A.

I'm not (although others may be) saying that Obama's performance is the worst ever. He has done some things which I think are good. But in my mind, it does not warrant a "satisfactory" grade.
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Posted 05 May 2009 - 11:12 AM

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Posted 05 May 2009 - 10:24 PM

View Postjoepain, on May 5 2009, 01:12 PM, said:

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what do we have here, a left wing nut. :dry:
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Posted 05 May 2009 - 10:57 PM

View PostAshrak, on Apr 29 2009, 10:47 PM, said:

Oh, and we just gave another billion dollars to Pakistan. Wonderful.

I hear the Taliban was running low on RPGs and small arms ammunition, so this should replenish their ammo dumps. :dry:

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(This wasn't aimed at anybody in particular.)


You do realize that Pakistan has been fighting the Taliban for the last 2 weeks right? Also, as I type this, Pakistan is evacuating civilians from the Swat Valley in preparation for an all-out offensive against the Taliban.
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Posted 05 May 2009 - 11:01 PM

And will someone please explain to me why the fascination with teleprompters?
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Posted 05 May 2009 - 11:05 PM

You do realize that the ISI, the Pakistani military intelligence agency, has a thoroughly well documented history of giving aid to the Taliban right? That aid would cover money, weapons, and intelligence, you know? So basically, when you send $1 billion dollars of money-that-doesn't-exist to Pakistan, you do know that a lot of money will go to the military, and thus the ISI right? And you do know that being such great buddies that they are, the ISI will pass along those funds to the Taliban right?

The real power in Pakistan lies with the military and ISI. Zardari is nothing more than double speaking figurhead.

You do know that....right?

Did you also know that getting Pakistan to pull its massive troops of the border with India, where nothing happens except jihadist cells moving into India, was like pulling teeth....right?

And you do know that Pakistani military is soooooo inept that they aren't worth much in the field....right?

This latest "offensive" will sputter, and the Zardari will cut another deal with the Taliban, just like last time.

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And will someone please explain to me why the fascination with teleprompters?


When the President keeps messing up his prepared speeches because he skips a few lines on the teleprompter....it amuses people.

You know....kind of like Bushisms amused other people.
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Posted 05 May 2009 - 11:11 PM

So explain to me again why, if they are such good pals, has the military been killing Taliban fighters and vice versa. If the real power in Pakistan lies with the military which is, as you claim allied with the Taliban, then why would they bother killing each other? Furthermore, why would they allow the Taliban to waltz into their country and start trying to gain control over their territory?

As for Pakistan pulling troops off the border with India, and their military being inept, those points are completely irrelevant.


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When the President keeps messing up his prepared speeches because he skips a few lines on the teleprompter....it amuses people.

You know....kind of like Bushisms amused other people.


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Posted 05 May 2009 - 11:22 PM

View Postevillepaintball, on May 6 2009, 02:10 AM, said:

So explain to me again why, if they are such good pals, has the military been killing Taliban fighters and vice versa. If the real power in Pakistan lies with the military which is, as you claim allied with the Taliban, then why would they bother killing each other? Furthermore, why would they allow the Taliban to waltz into their country and start trying to gain control over their territory?

As for Pakistan pulling troops off the border with India, and their military being inept, those points are completely irrelevant.


Because they have to look good enough for the cameras to keep aid flowing. :D

Zardari and the "moderates" in the regular military fear the rise of the Taliban because it threatens their own power. So, how do they preserve their power? Well, they need money flowing from the West, since Pakistan hasn't much of an economy. Also, they need time so occasionally they trot out the dog and pony "truces" and "peace deals" which supposedly "contains" the Pakistani Taliban. Zardari pursue the various truces because he knows, and it has been shown repeatedly, that the Pakistani conventional military can't best the Taliban in a pitched battle. Besides, the Taliban simply falls back to the FATA and mountainous areas and chews the hell out of convoys. Enter the peace deal. Enter Taliban incursions, growing ever closer to Islamabad. Enter a new offensive by the military to show America that Pakistan is "serious" about confronting the Taliban, which brings more money.

Repeat as necessary.

Did you know that Zardari allows Predator drones to stage attacks from Pakistani air bases, while at the same time he denounces the drone raids as a violation of international law and such? So not only does Zarari get money from the U.S. for the rentall, but he gets the publicity stunt of hating on the Great Satan. He isn't an ally, and he isn't a friend. Zardari is an opportunist, and will do whatever he has to do in order to remain in power, including getting in bed with the Taliban. Eventually though, the Taliban will come for his head, because they want complete control. An alliance between a "moderate" politician like Zardari and Islamists like the Taliban isn't anything new. Chechnya during the 1990s was a perfect example.

Also, to be technical I said the ISI was allied with the Taliban. The military, though closely tied with the ISI, is not the ISI. But, a lot of the old guard are VERY influential and can direct funds and people as need be. Examples would be during the 1970s and 1980s when Pakistan was trading nuclear secrets with Nortk Korea, and then later Iran and Libya. The ISI did what it needed to do, and no one was able to stop them, or if the politicians had the power, they chose not to stop the ISI.

My points about India and ineptness of the Pakistani military are not irrelevant, Mr. 2LT. When the bulk of your best forces are tied up guarding a southern border where there is no threat, then how can you make headway against an Islamist insurgency in the north? And if you only send inept troops to fight the Islamist insurgency, please explain how you can win any battle you fight.

So, you have the military and Zardari which need money, they put on a show, they get money, and ISI funnels funds to the Taliban. In war, everyone is a pawn, and everyone is expendable. You would do well to remember that.

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Posted 05 May 2009 - 11:28 PM

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Another one.

And yet another one. Yeah, the "57 states" one.

The "Uh" Count.

And another one.

This is the best one.

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