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Tippmann A-5 E-Grip vs. RT info Info Borrowed from the A5og.net Forum

#1 User is offline   ZAPCOnj 

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Posted 30 November 2004 - 11:51 AM

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The Tippmann E-Grip FAQ
Greetings. This FAQ should help to answer your questions about the GTA E-Grip Trigger Frame. If you ahve any other questions, feel free to ask. This FAQ will be updated with any new or updated information

What is the E-Grip?

The GTA E-Grip is a new Grip Electronic Frame that trips the sear electonically with each pull of the trigger using a solenoid. You install the new grip frame in the place of the stock grip frame. The E-grip comes complete with trigger assembly, trigger frame and the electonic components.

Does it increase Rate of fire?

Yes, it absolutely does! Since the trigger activates the sear electornically, the marker can fire much quicker than the stock trigger, but slightly slower than the RT. Most people report results of 15bps.

Can I adjust the Rate of fire,?

Yes. There are Two holes in the E-grip Frame that allow you to change both the rate of fire and the mode of fire with a small screwdriver.

What modes of fire are available?

The E-Grip has five firing modes.
Semi Automatic - One shot for each pull of the Trigger
Turbo - Semi-Auto until the trigger is pulled faster than 4bps then it switches to auto-responce, doubling your rate of fire.
Auto Response - One shot on the pull and one on the release of the trigger. Basically two round burst.
Three Round Burst - Three shot each time you pull the trigger
Full Automatic - Hold the Trigger, launch 15bps in a constant string.

It's electronic right? Runs on Batteries, eh? Which ones?

The E-Grip uses standard 9 volt batterys and gets roughly 3000 rounds per battery from reports we've gathered.

Is the E-Grip easy to install and uninstall?

Yes. You just pull the two lower reciever pins, and the tombstone pin, remove the stock grip frame, remove the bottomline ASA from the stock receiver and install it on the E-Grip, and install the E-grip on the marker just as you uninstalled the Stock Grip. It takes less than two minutes.

Does the E-Grip use MORE gas?

In theory you should get the same number of shots per tank that you get from a stock A-5 or a m98c.

But that's not necessarily the case.

With the increased Rate of Fire XX2 will act differently than it would for the stock A-5 or M98C. As you shoot faster, the tank becomes colder and that leads to the XX2 taking more time to evaporate from liquid to gas. This means that more liquid will be drawn from the tank as usual. This in turn means not only will you use more of the XX2, but it can also chill the gas lines and the valve, creating even more of a problem. This can also cause the output pressure of the tank to start dropping rapidly, meaning that the cyclone and RT will start to "slow down." A good Expansion Chamber, Regulator and remote system will help with this, but Nitro is the best solution.

Sounds Great. Is the E-Grip Tourney Legal?

Absolutely. That's why it was created. It takes the A-5 into High-End territory and can definately compete with the Big boys out there. Just as Tippmann Effect, Tippmann's Factory Tourney Team. Though it can only be used in Semi-Auto mode.

Are there any problems with the E-Grip?

A few. The Battery tends to be difficult to install/uninstall even though it was designed to be easy. The Wires tend to get in the way and hold the battery in the grip.

The Trigger switch is very sensitive and unless you make sure to turn the E-grip to a "Dead" setting, the sear tripping pin can shoot out of the Grip.

Also, the cyclone can get rather rough on paint when cycling at 15bps for loing periods of time. There are updates available for the cyclone that fixes that problem and they are free. Just call Tippmann for details.

Some fields still ban everything except Semi-Automatic, sue the other modes after talking to your field operators.

Okay, I want one. Where can I get one and how much is it

Tippmann sells the E-Grip for about $150 + shipping, but it can be picked up as low as $119 on the internet.

Can I see your E-Grip in Action?

Why yes, you can. Follow this link to see it in action:
http://www.kryptyk-d-zynz.com/a5_egrip_tea...easer_video.htm
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Posted 30 November 2004 - 11:53 AM

Originally posted by Kreeper-X

The Tippmann Response Trigger FAQ
Greetings. This FAQ should help to answer your questions about the GTA RT Trigger Kit. If you ahve any other questions, feel free to ask. This FAQ will be updated with any new or updated information

What is the RT Trigger Kit?

The GTA Response Trigger Kit is a fully mechanical, Pnuematic Trigger Assist system. It uses wasted blow back gas to power a piston installed behind the trigger which returns the trigger to the ready position, ready to fire the next shot much quicker than the normal spring return and with much greater force.

Does it increase Rate of fire?

Yes, it absolutely does! Since the trigger resets much quicker and with much greater force, you can pull it quicker. Most people report results of between 14 and 17bps.

Can I adjust the Rate of fire, like with electronic Markers?

In a manner yes. You can adjust the flow of gas to the RT Piston, increasing or decreasing the pressure in the piston. The greater the pressure, the greater the force required to pull the trigger, and thus a slower the rate of fire. The lesser the pressure, the lesser the force required to pull the trigger, and thus a higher rate of fire.

Will the RT make my A-5 Fully Automatic?

In a way yes, and in a way no. Fully automatic markers work by cycling the bolt automatically while you are holding the trigger down. The RT can MIMIC this easily, but the trigger still moves with each shot, so you TECHNICALLY are pulling the trigger with each ball fired. This is called "sweet spotting."

How do you find the "Sweet Spot?"

It's different with the individual settings of each marker and each player. Usually the sweet spot can be found by pulling the trigger about half way back instead of all the way back and by applying constant pressure to the trigger. If set up correctly, the Trigger will bounce against your finger, and fire off a string of shots at high speed.

Is the RT easy to install and uninstall?

Yes, much easier to install than the 98 Custom Version of the RT, and it requires less modification. The instructions are a bit complicated, but anyone with a decent working knowledge of the A-5 will be able to install it in about 15 minutes, and even less to disable it. To Disable the RT, you simply need to pull the hose that leads to the RT piston, and replace the Banjo "T" fitting with the stock banjo fitting.

Does the RT use MORE gas?

Yes and no. The RT works on wasted blow back gasses. So in theory you should get the same number of shots per tank that you get from a stock A-5 or a m98c.

But that's not necessarily the case.

With the increased Rate of Fire XX2 will act differently than it would for the stock A-5 or M98C. As you shoot faster, the tank becomes colder and that leads to the XX2 taking more time to evaporate from liquid to gas. This means that more liquid will be drawn from the tank as usual. This in turn means not only will you use more of the XX2, but it can also chill the gas lines and the valve, creating even more of a problem. This can also cause the output pressure of the tank to start dropping rapidly, meaning that the cyclone and RT will start to "slow down." A good Expansion Chamber, Regulator and remote system will help with this, but Nitro is the best solution.

Sounds Great. Is the RT Tourney Legal?

Again, yes and no. Even though it is still a semi-automatic marker, and you're still pulling the trigger for each paintball fired, the fact that you can mimic full auto easily has caused MOST big leagues to ban the RT. Some local tourneys will allow it though, so always check with the Ultimate Judge of the tourney before signing up with and RT.

Are there any problems with the RT?

A few. Some of the earlier RT kits had loose o-rings resulting in leaks. And some of the RTs shipped with bad pistons. These problems were corrected by Tippmann and if you have one of these kits you can contact Tippmann to get yours replaced.

Newer RT kits also come with new trigger plates that can stand up to the pressure of the RT kit a little better.

That and some field still ban fully automatic paintball markers, and the RT because of the trigger bounce.

Can i See an R/T in action?

Yes you can: http://kryptyk-d-zynz.com/A-5rtisBAD BUTTOCKS!.htm

Okay, I want one. Where can I get one and how much is it

Tippmann is shipping A-5s with RT installed in then and they are selling around the internet for Between $269 and $290. You can also buy the kit and install it yourself for about $75 to $99.
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Posted 05 December 2004 - 02:18 PM

Here is my take on this subject.

My 98 with RT works flawlessly. ;)

My A-5 with E-Grip has given me nothing but fits. :blink:
If I attack, follow me
If I flee, kill me
If I die, avenge me
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