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#1 User is offline   Phantom9399 

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Posted 20 October 2008 - 08:35 PM

alright, got my tippmann X7... works great all year, using nitro, JJ ceramic barell and fireball (hellsurivior's paint)... shot great over the summer, but yesterday it was about 40-50 degrees outside while we were playing and paint was breaking like mad. i think its because of the cold weather, but i want to just make sure.

the only other things i could think of would be velocity, but i got chronoed at TWC, and i use nitro, so i shouldent have THAT much of a difference should i? i mean it didnt look like i was shooting hot, but in a backyard with no chrono, thats all you can do is look

barrel was perfectly clean, because i kept cleaning it (even though its supposed to be self cleaning, which did work a few times)

the paint was about a month old

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Posted 20 October 2008 - 08:42 PM

Paint is the most common culprit. Place a paintball down the barrel to make sure it slides down freely. Sometimes paint expands. You should be able to drop a paintball from 6 feet onto a hard surface like concrete without it breaking. The same paintball should be able to withstand at least a couple drops before breaking. It isn't the most scientific test but it will let you know if your paint has become too brittle. The drop in temperature alone will make paint more brittle.

Unfortunately, no barrel self cleans no matter how much it is advertised.
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Posted 20 October 2008 - 08:55 PM

Its the paint most likely. What I do is hold my paintballs in front of the exhaust pipe on the mule we have and they shoot just fine after that.
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Posted 20 October 2008 - 09:02 PM

I would say that it was the paint was most likely the problem. Nothing else really makes sense.
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Posted 20 October 2008 - 09:21 PM

yeah mostly what they said......still, you might want to try turning the velocity down just in case. Might as well give it a try, or else maybe theres a little something sharp in your cyclone or whatever...
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 08:00 PM

yeah, took the marker apart today, i was gona wait for it so i could do my "how to" project on it, but then i realized i might be embarrased about the level of paint it broke, so i took it apart today

the paint had been breaking before it even went into the breach, there was paint all over my cyclone, and it was all really brittle. it was a few weeks old and it was also cold outside, so i figure thats what caused it. i bumped my force feed cyclone lever thingy (idk the real name for it) and i might have broken one in the cyclone and then it just painted every single paintball from there on... that coulda been it also...
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Posted 21 October 2008 - 11:27 PM

Paint is almost always the first point of failure when you're having problems like that, ESPECIALLY when it starts getting chilly and the paint may not be that fresh. Sounds like the paint in the Cyclone and into the chamber are your culprits.

Have fun cleaning THAT mess out. Yuk. :(
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Posted 23 October 2008 - 09:04 PM

Its most likely the paintballs.

I've used Nelsplat and Special Forces paintballs year round, cold weather, high rates of fire, stock paddles in the cyclone, no breaks, not even in the cyclone.
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Posted 23 October 2008 - 09:08 PM

hey i got an idea, maybe its the paint :dodgy:

actually i started typing this post with the intent of giving you some easy advace on the best way to clean out the cyclone but as i started i realised there is no easy way to clean out that cursed wonderfull cyclone.

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Posted 24 October 2008 - 09:14 AM

Tippmanns tend to strike the round fairly hard. Brittle paint doesn't go to well.
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Posted 24 October 2008 - 09:54 AM

One way to handle brittle paint in upcoming colder months is to switch your stock paddles out for a set of TechT Squishie or Wargear Squishie paddles. They are not expensive ~$25 and they are a lot more delicate on paintballs. That metal finger may also have some sharp edges that you could round off with a nail file. Sometimes though, there's nothing you can do about bad paint. Except maybe curse at it??
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 07:56 AM

View PostPhantom9399, on Oct 20 2008, 10:35 PM, said:

alright, got my tippmann X7... works great all year, using nitro, JJ ceramic barell and fireball (hellsurivior's paint)... shot great over the summer, but yesterday it was about 40-50 degrees outside while we were playing and paint was breaking like mad. i think its because of the cold weather, but i want to just make sure.

the only other things i could think of would be velocity, but i got chronoed at TWC, and i use nitro, so i shouldent have THAT much of a difference should i? i mean it didnt look like i was shooting hot, but in a backyard with no chrono, thats all you can do is look

barrel was perfectly clean, because i kept cleaning it (even though its supposed to be self cleaning, which did work a few times)

the paint was about a month old

ball detent is in perfect order

I have been there myself...one thing is cold weather and paint DO NOT mix well..I think It`s RPS that makes POLAR ICE it`s made specifically for the colder weather and I have tried it and it does make a difference...you may also want to upgrade to the TECH -T squishy paddles in the cyclone because as one other person stated Tippmans are hard On feeding paint in that cyclone...and 1 month old paint is NOT your problem I have used paint that was almost 2 years old and still it wasn`t as bad as you described...MY A-5 is set at about 270 FPS and right now At 20 BPS...I have no trouble with the feeding now..occasionally a misfire but no ball breaks recently...check it out

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=51yKDOUyca8

If you can try those squishy paddles and upgrade to a QEV with the power rod and the tornado feed upgrade (all aluminum)...get rid of all those plastic parts concerned with the feeder and I think you`ll see a marked improvment in your ability to feed paint'
good luck...hope this helps
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Posted 23 November 2008 - 04:36 PM

Here's what it is. The cyclone is actually spun by a spring not air pressure. The air pressure just "cocks" the cyclone. The spring that spins the cyclone is pretty strong which causes the paddles in the cyclone to SMACK the paintballs really hard. When the temperature drops to a certain point the paintballs will become a little more brittle so when the paddles SMACK the paintballs they will either bust right there in the cyclone or they will get a small crack in them and explode in the barrel when the air pressure hits them. There's a few things you can do. First, shamfer all the edges inside the cyclone that come into contact with the paintballs. Second, buy the squishy paddles, they help alot. Third, find paint with a thick tough shell. Thick shelled paint won't break on target very well so it's a trade off. This is one reason I don't like the Tippmann markers that have the cyclone made onto them. At least with the 98C you can take the cyclone off when the temperature drops and use a different loader. That's what my friends with 98C w/cyclones do.

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Posted 23 November 2008 - 05:26 PM

View PostDunceb4ll, on Oct 21 2008, 12:55 AM, said:

Its the paint most likely. What I do is hold my paintballs in front of the exhaust pipe on the mule we have and they shoot just fine after that.


You hold it in front of what's butt?! :blink:
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Posted 26 November 2008 - 12:25 AM

Before you change your paint, check your cyclone ratchet. It may be cracked but still feeding. It may be such that the feed is being delayed to the point where the ball is chopped before it is all the way into the chamber. If the ratchet is broken, buy an aftermarket metal replacement, like the one from TechT. You won't regret it. As for the balls getting slapped around like a hooker in the cyclone, they also have squishy paddles. I would put money that it's the ratchet, though. I went through the same thing for a long time with my x7. I bet $5.15 that I am right. This is up for anyone. I accept cash, paypal or money order.
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