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Posted 11 December 2007 - 05:31 PM

I have been lookin at cheap/small HPA tanks, and im wondering...

How great of a difference will it really make compared to a phantom run on a siphoned Co2 tank?

how many shots can i get out of a 22CI-3000 tank?

Please help me out.

Edit: nvm the 48-3000 lol new questions

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 06:26 PM

Tyger has a HPA tank on one of his Phantoms. He could proboly answere those Q's
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Posted 11 December 2007 - 06:43 PM

Thanks ^^
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Posted 11 December 2007 - 06:52 PM

how about a 12gram
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Posted 11 December 2007 - 06:53 PM

View PostTHE_Sniper, on Dec 11 2007, 07:31 PM, said:

1 more thing, how much would i pay for a 13 or 22 CI HPA tank?

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 06:56 PM

you sure you don't mean anti siphoned co2?

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 07:25 PM

you know what i meant ;)
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Posted 11 December 2007 - 07:28 PM

I don't know if this is true, as I don't own a Phantom, but I've heard that they like CO2 better. They are sprung for CO2 use. And at the ROF you'll be shooting, you aren't going to notice a significant difference in consistency between CO2 and HPA. Why use HPA? So you can use a bigger, heavier, more expensive tank that gets fewer shots for the amount of volume for a marginal increase in consistency? Depending on your setup, you could use a Palmers Stabilizer and get similar consistency for a lot cheaper and with a smaller, lighter tank. I always though being smaller and lighter was one of the benefits of playing pump...
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Posted 11 December 2007 - 07:35 PM

Eh this post is done, my questions have been answered, thanks guys
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Posted 11 December 2007 - 07:52 PM

View PostJackson, on Dec 11 2007, 07:28 PM, said:

I don't know if this is true, as I don't own a Phantom, but I've heard that they like CO2 better. They are sprung for CO2 use. And at the ROF you'll be shooting, you aren't going to notice a significant difference in consistency between CO2 and HPA. Why use HPA? So you can use a bigger, heavier, more expensive tank that gets fewer shots for the amount of volume for a marginal increase in consistency? Depending on your setup, you could use a Palmers Stabilizer and get similar consistency for a lot cheaper and with a smaller, lighter tank. I always though being smaller and lighter was one of the benefits of playing pump...


some people prefer hpa, and my 13 ci air tank weighs about as much as my 3.5 oz co2.

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 07:58 PM

Honestly, HPA + phantom = chronos slower than CO2 + phantom (assuming you have made no adjustments and the only variation is the air supply)

Not much benefit with a phantom unless you're playing in the snow.
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Posted 11 December 2007 - 08:30 PM

View Postmtaylor, on Dec 11 2007, 09:52 PM, said:

View PostJackson, on Dec 11 2007, 07:28 PM, said:

I don't know if this is true, as I don't own a Phantom, but I've heard that they like CO2 better. They are sprung for CO2 use. And at the ROF you'll be shooting, you aren't going to notice a significant difference in consistency between CO2 and HPA. Why use HPA? So you can use a bigger, heavier, more expensive tank that gets fewer shots for the amount of volume for a marginal increase in consistency? Depending on your setup, you could use a Palmers Stabilizer and get similar consistency for a lot cheaper and with a smaller, lighter tank. I always though being smaller and lighter was one of the benefits of playing pump...


some people prefer hpa, and my 13 ci air tank weighs about as much as my 3.5 oz co2.

Let's compare the two then. The Phantom is pretty efficient, yes? For comparison, my Blazer gets 80 shots per ounce of CO2. Roughly 30 shots out of a 12 gram, semi-auto. They get about 12 shots per C.I. of HPA at 3000 psi. Phantoms are more efficient, but we can still use those numbers as a rough estimate.

A 13/3000 tank will yield about 156 shots per fill. A 3.5oz tank will yield about 280. A nearly 80% increase in shots. Same weight. But the 3.5oz tank is a few inches shorter as well. For what? If you are shooting slow (which you will with a pump), a marginal increase in consistency. To me, the choice is clear.
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Posted 11 December 2007 - 08:34 PM

ill just be gettin a 9oz tank anti siphon/siphoned whatever, the proshop will do it for free if i buy the tube lol.
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Posted 11 December 2007 - 08:37 PM

View PostTHE_Sniper, on Dec 11 2007, 10:34 PM, said:

ill just be gettin a 9oz tank anti siphon/siphoned whatever, the proshop will do it for free if i buy the tube lol.
Thanks again

It's anti-siphon. Siphoning implies sucking liquid through a tube. You want to prevent liquid from getting in with the ANTI-siphon tube.

Now just to confuse you even more, there are siphon tubes. They are used on markers that REQUIRE LIQUID CO2 to operate. These include the first few Tippmanns (SMG series and 68 Special) and Montneel markers (older blowbacks from the early-mid 90's). But for the most part, you will never run into one of these.

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 09:01 PM

i normally use co2 in my phantom, but i'll be using hpa for a little while due to some issues i have been having with my 3.5 oz.

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