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#1 User is offline   cdrinkh20 

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 08:56 AM

Hey guys..

I use a VForce Profiler but I find when I'm creeping around in the deep woods the humidity builds up and I sweat enough to soak the foam on my goggles (despite hats) - my goggles almost always fog. I suspect I probably have stupid moments and wipe the back of the lens, therefore screwing up the Thermal Coating Vforce uses.

My friend uses a Dye i3 mask - his has NEVER fogged. I, however, have messed up 3 lenses.

Is it possible to temporarily recreate that coating using an anti-fog spray (I've heard that it doesn't really help) or should I look into a dual-pane thermal lens? If so, which masks use dual-pane thermal?

Its frustrating because only the bottom half inch of my lens remains unfogged, so I have to crane my head up and expose my neck and chin to see if that's an opposing player or a tree :P
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 09:01 AM

I too fog up singles...I just sweat too much in the face. I can actually fog up thermals as well if the humidity is high enough.

Just about ever gogle manufacturer offers a thermal lens so the question relly becomes which mask fits your face better?

I personally use the Avatar.
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 09:33 AM

Most JT Spectra style goggles come stock with dual paned thermal lenses. All of the Flex series (Pro-flex, Flex 7, Flex 8) use the Spectra lens. The main downside to Spectra goggles is that the lenses are not easily changed out when brand new.

One thing to consider is I play in scenario games with night play involved. I use an amber tinted lens during the day and clear is best to use at night. Because changing the lens can be a pain sometimes, especially with time constraints, I have another set with a clear lens for night play. The down side is I have to pack a second set of goggles for when it gets dark outside. The up side is I have a spare set in case something happens to my main set.
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 09:55 AM

Im a big fan of dual pane lenses...always had fogging issues untill I started using them regularly. Now I wont buy anything else.

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Most JT Spectra style goggles come stock with dual paned thermal lenses. All of the Flex series (Pro-flex, Flex 7, Flex 8) use the Spectra lens. The main downside to Spectra goggles is that the lenses are not easily changed out when brand new.


I used JT for years, but recently switched to Protos...MUCH easier to switch out lenses, takes like 30 seconds tops. I think that their dual pane lenses are higher quality too.
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 11:09 AM

Protos don't come with thermal stock though?

I'd def like to keep the price down as I am very poor and the only reason I am considering a mask is I was $50 under budget on my trip :P
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 11:17 AM

I use an I3 pro but in really hot days I also use a sandana. The headband makes a big difference I find.


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Posted 05 August 2010 - 12:11 PM

View Postslinkyaroo, on 05 August 2010 - 12:17 PM, said:

I use an I3 pro but in really hot days I also use a sandana. The headband makes a big difference I find.


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Yeah, that's pretty much why I used my MO Money to get a Mojave Cap - but I mean last time I was crawling in the bush I soaked it through and started on the foam and I FOGGED. ><

EDIT: I read that the Proto thermal lenses have split apart for some people - many have gotten no fog/no split, but several have had splits...even on the first day out.

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Posted 05 August 2010 - 03:05 PM

dude, do not get rid of the profiler. i have used them for years and havent found a better mask. you need to get a thermal lense. next get the anti fog spray. spray the inside and outside of the mask with a thin coat, rub it in with a paper towel after it sits for a minute, and try to control your breathing/sweating. i reccomend chewing peppermint gum. yes it helps because it cools your breath. the foam will get wet because we all sweat, its a nature of the beast. try a padded sandana or headwrap, and make sure the foam of the mask is on that not your skin.

i play in florida and i'm a big dude, so trust me when i tell you i know a thing or two about sweat and masks fogging and humidity. just make sure you follow my steps ans see the difference. the anti fog spray does work wonders even on non thermal lenses (with exceptions of course). but i hvae yet to find a better mask than a profiler with thermal lense and anti fog spray.
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Posted 06 August 2010 - 06:48 AM

View PostIron__Man, on 05 August 2010 - 04:05 PM, said:

dude, do not get rid of the profiler. i have used them for years and havent found a better mask. you need to get a thermal lense. next get the anti fog spray. spray the inside and outside of the mask with a thin coat, rub it in with a paper towel after it sits for a minute, and try to control your breathing/sweating. i reccomend chewing peppermint gum. yes it helps because it cools your breath. the foam will get wet because we all sweat, its a nature of the beast. try a padded sandana or headwrap, and make sure the foam of the mask is on that not your skin.

i play in florida and i'm a big dude, so trust me when i tell you i know a thing or two about sweat and masks fogging and humidity. just make sure you follow my steps ans see the difference. the anti fog spray does work wonders even on non thermal lenses (with exceptions of course). but i hvae yet to find a better mask than a profiler with thermal lense and anti fog spray.


1) I use the mojave cap
2) I'm pretty sure the menthol in peppermint just activates cool receptors on your tongue and does nothing to cool your breath - besides fog is caused by condensation from your breath so by cooling it you're allowing it to condense faster...
3)Anti-fog has done nothing for me so far.

I ended up getting the i3 Pro because the Proto masks cost almost as much and I read about their lenses splitting - the only downside is that the Profiler lens offers more peripheral vision....

However, I would rather see a little less 100% of the time rather than a little more for a few minutes until I fog.
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Posted 16 August 2010 - 05:11 PM

I used dual payne thermal lenses for years and swore by them. The only down side is, when the seal finally goes bad it always seams like it happens at the worst time. So once the seal goes bad I tear the second lens out and chunk it and put some anti-fog on the remaining lens and I'm good to go. This will let you keep playing fog free.

Alos, all anti-fog products are not the same. Some are just useless. I have some great stuff but I don't know what it's called. It's for Divers goggles. It was given to me at a game one day but the name was rubbed off the bottle.

It works so well I stopped buying dual payne goggles.

So if you use a dual payne lens keep some good anti-fog handy just in case you have to tear off the second lens. Then buy a new dual payne when you get the chance. I don't recommend buying a spare dual payne lens to keep in your gear bag. You don't want to keep it for a year then put it on your goggles. Treat dual payne lenses like fruit. You want them to be "fresh". Don't buy them until your ready to put them on your goggles and use them.
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Posted 16 August 2010 - 09:52 PM

We use and sell Empire Vents masks at our field.They have a real thick double pane thermal available in all different shades.They are about the easiest change lens we have seen.The lens is open to the bottom so the paint does not puddle in the bottom.Thermal lenses should NOT be submerged though.We provide buckets of warm dish soap water for mask cleaning.The vents helix mask sells for 30-35$$.Make sure it says Thermal, NOT ANTIFOG.ANTIFOG is single pane.Vents sells a helix single pane also for less.Don't waste money on a lens buy the thermal Vents.You won't be disappointed.The upgrade colors are bought seperatly at $25 average.They are worth it though.I got two years out of hard play, [at least one weekend a month] woodsball,recball out of the first lens.No fog ever.It still didn't fog,but it took so many gogs it was showing a little wear.It is still on one of the rental masks.
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Posted 16 August 2010 - 10:03 PM

View Postcdrinkh20, on 05 August 2010 - 01:11 PM, said:

View Postslinkyaroo, on 05 August 2010 - 12:17 PM, said:

I use an I3 pro but in really hot days I also use a sandana. The headband makes a big difference I find.


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Yeah, that's pretty much why I used my MO Money to get a Mojave Cap - but I mean last time I was crawling in the bush I soaked it through and started on the foam and I FOGGED. ><

EDIT: I read that the Proto thermal lenses have split apart for some people - many have gotten no fog/no split, but several have had splits...even on the first day out.

The main reason for failure is that the lenses get dunked.Wipe off a thermal lens with warm soapy dish water {dawn or equiv.Use only soft rags like t shirt material.Do not submerge or get the foam interlayer wet. That will failure the glue adhesion.Makes me mad when rentals drop the rags in the dirt ,picks it up,then proceeds to continue wiping the mask, scratches and all.
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Posted 16 October 2010 - 09:24 AM

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The main reason for failure is that the lenses get dunked.Wipe off a thermal lens with warm soapy dish water {dawn or equiv.Use only soft rags like t shirt material.Do not submerge or get the foam interlayer wet. That will failure the glue adhesion.
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I had the cure for this. With my JT spectra Flex 8 lenses I Used silicon to seal the outer edge so no water gets to the sticky foam.

I bought 2 more JT lenses but these ones have the seal right on the outer edge, no room for silicon.

So now my question. Does anybody know of a sealant I can use that would be soaked into the foam. Since applying it over the foam is no longer an option.
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Posted 17 October 2010 - 06:47 AM

View Postmotherboard1, on 16 October 2010 - 12:24 PM, said:


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The main reason for failure is that the lenses get dunked.Wipe off a thermal lens with warm soapy dish water {dawn or equiv.Use only soft rags like t shirt material.Do not submerge or get the foam interlayer wet. That will failure the glue adhesion.


I had the cure for this. With my JT spectra Flex 8 lenses I Used silicon to seal the outer edge so no water gets to the sticky foam.

I bought 2 more JT lenses but these ones have the seal right on the outer edge, no room for silicon.

So now my question. Does anybody know of a sealant I can use that would be soaked into the foam. Since applying it over the foam is no longer an option.


you could cut a small v-gouge in the foam then apply the same silicone. wipe the excess with your finger. thats how they seal sheet vinyl floors together.
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Posted 18 October 2010 - 01:52 PM

View PostBenaiah, on 17 October 2010 - 06:47 AM, said:

View Postmotherboard1, on 16 October 2010 - 12:24 PM, said:


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The main reason for failure is that the lenses get dunked.Wipe off a thermal lens with warm soapy dish water {dawn or equiv.Use only soft rags like t shirt material.Do not submerge or get the foam interlayer wet. That will failure the glue adhesion.


I had the cure for this. With my JT spectra Flex 8 lenses I Used silicon to seal the outer edge so no water gets to the sticky foam.

I bought 2 more JT lenses but these ones have the seal right on the outer edge, no room for silicon.

So now my question. Does anybody know of a sealant I can use that would be soaked into the foam. Since applying it over the foam is no longer an option.


you could cut a small v-gouge in the foam then apply the same silicone. wipe the excess with your finger. thats how they seal sheet vinyl floors together.


I was considering that but I see a couple of potential problems

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It would be an awkward project probably resulting in me chucking out a new lens.

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I can see the glue still being exposed to water on the edges and peeling off. Where as with the other style, the silicon was sandwiched between two clean lens surfaces, perfect, and application was easy. But I think #2 is going to be a problem no matter what. If only I'd known, I wouldn't have even bought these new lenses. I would have sought out ones with the better characteristics.

Good thing I don't need them right now and I'm just lining them up for future use.

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