Phantom: What do I want and how can I get it?
Posted 16 January 2010 - 03:18 PM
I want to get him a phantom with the following features:
45* Grips: I want to get some Stinger grips put on them. Tossup between Chuck Norris or Jesus Christ (is there a difference?).
Constant Air: 12 grams + him = no. He likes his 114/4500 tank with a remote. Not sure if I should look for one with the Vertical Air fixture or the ASA on the back of the tube (I suppose the one with the ASA on the back of the tube would be easier to disassemble).
Center Feed: I'd want to mod it with an Ego clamping feedneck. Alternatively, I could get a stock feed body and either put a PMP industries adapter or put a spyder feedneck with holes on it. I think the later looks better but requires some milling? If I did it that way, he'd still have the option of running with that 10 round tube?
Black: I might want to upgrade my own phantom to clone his.
No Stock: Doesn't normally use one and when he does he's got a longbow airthru to use.
Things I'm up in the air for are:
Barrels: I don't know what's currently out there. I see Lapcos, and I guess I could get him two different bores of those so he doesn't have rollouts...
Undercocking kit: Looks cool, but I don't know about their availability. Don't really want one that looks like an X from the front. Not sure I really want to get him one. Your opinion?
Sight Rail: Really like to have one. What's available?
What would be the most economic way of going about getting one (or two!) of the phantom's described above? Buy used and sell the one I have now? Get a new one and upgrade the one I have?
I currently have a phantom with an M16 grip, an ASA on the back of the body, the 10 round tube body and an 11" armson Pro barrel.
Posted 16 January 2010 - 06:37 PM
Vert air vs back bottle is a personal choice. Have him try one of each if he can. Most prefer VSC, but some just like the mojo of back bottle or even bottomline. If you go VSC the largest tank you can use is a 4 oz CO2 or 13 ci HPA tank. Anything larger and you can snap the trigger guard off. So keep that in mind. And bear in mind 4 oz of CO2 is like 250+ shots...multiple days of play
If you get a stock class feed body (Which i recommend as it's cheaper to get in the long run and get a seperate feed body on the side) you can do the PMP feedneck on it. Stuntman does it and loves it. I'd shy away from the spyder feedneck. Getting a SC feed body will cost more up front, but if you price out getting a Open class bodystock with a spare SC feed body, or a SC feed body stock with a spare OC body, the SC body with spare OC body is cheaper.
Black is stock phantom color. Nothing much to say. I'd recommend an acid wash anno just to be different...but to each their own. Acid is $30 for two colors, and $40 for matte instead of gloss
If he wants a stock but doesn't...get a bottomline for the phantom. And run a backbottle body with a bottomline kit. Then he can use the tank as a stock.
Stock barrel is the best you can get...thousands swear by it. Just get a set of detent rings to prevent roll outs. Or get a barrel bored for freak inserts. But honestly, stock barrel is the bomb. Detent ring sets are $5, get two just in case you lose them, very easy
Under cocking kit is personal preference. Some like teh stock over barrel pump, others like me like undercocking. If you get undercocking...mike from CCI now makes the old defunct Wevo kits, which are nice but small handle. The X kit is good. Rainman makes kits that use double guide rods for silky smooth action and use CCM pump handles. They are costly and hard to find. But worth it. He is making a run now, so you can get in if you want on MCB in the Rainman section. I just bought PKJ two kits, one for each of her phantoms, and am getting Becc one. They are smooth as silk
SC feedblocks have a dovetail rail built in, so any dovetail site will work, including ghost rings, which i love. Just be aware clear feedblocks can crack if you put too much weight on them, whereas the stock black delrin one is solid. If you get an open class body, you can mount a 2.5" dovetail rail or a 5" dovetail rail for $5-$10 on it. They mount to the valve body.
I always like buying new. That way you get exactly what you want. But if you want to have fun, search the pump sections on MCB and SCP and take a gander at all the phantoms for sale. There are some for any flavor you want. Just avoid PBN, they are over priced there and not in the best of conditions.
Hope that covered it all. If you got more questions, ask away. But yeah...talk to Krazy8...he will set you straight and help you out.
Posted 16 January 2010 - 07:09 PM
Posted 16 January 2010 - 07:25 PM
I don't think there are any, and that's why you should get one.
Yeah the nelson hasn't really advanced much in 20 years. I mean yeah the newer Gargoyles and Carter stuff have some newer features and tweaks, but phantoms are the same they always have been..they have little need to change.
Posted 17 January 2010 - 09:23 PM
I also see this: http://www.airsoldier.com/mm5/merchant.mvc...Code=CCIPHANTOM
Posted 18 January 2010 - 12:24 AM
The ASP Detent mod works fantastically. I know a few people using it. It's great.
Posted 18 January 2010 - 02:20 AM
Thanks for the free publicity it finally sold, but I ended up losing money in the long run.
Also Legato has everything covered I'd say. I loved the Dye UL barrel, but the stock barrel worked nice too and the detent rings are pretty nice.
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