Posted 11 September 2011 - 04:12 AM
"The bitterness of poor quality lasts long after the sweetness of low price is gone"
"There is no shame in shooting someone in the back if later they intend on turning around"
Posted 11 September 2011 - 06:27 AM
As for the homestead plan . . .
I got the land, the seeds, fertilizer and tools, the know how, AND the home field advantage on that one. Now I just need to figure out microbrewing and distillation, gotta turn those veggies into something useful.
Posted 11 September 2011 - 06:55 AM
But every time I've read that I also see the disclaimer that "obviously we have never tried this or been able to try this due to blah blah blah blah" LOL
Posted 14 September 2011 - 11:25 AM
Food isn't a big issue, we're pretty dang good at trapping and hunting is always a skill to perfect. Water is another issue. Getting it out of the ground is critical( we're quite the big group of people). WE know how to make stills, and some other tricks to get water, but thats not enough for long periods.
Electronics arn't that big an issue. We might have a laptop, but most lickly not. And if we do have one, it'll be off most of the time to prevent it from being fried. I think it'll be kinda fun. Sucks ot be the rest of the world though.
I'll check out that book, sounds interesting.
Posted 14 September 2011 - 01:20 PM
Yeah...but it IS P-W...so you'd be coming for dinner...
Posted 14 September 2011 - 01:52 PM
"Training for it" and "handling it fine" are two very, very different things.
Food is an issue. Like it or not, man cannot live on meat alone. Following that, you do realize that the prey will relocate and/or be eliminated over time (either due to hunting pressure or from other changes), and that everyone's going to have the same idea. Unless you live hundreds of miles from other people, it's a fair bet other hunters will be putting quite a bit of pressure on your game.
They're a much bigger issue than you can possibly imagine. It's not just the electronic gadgets themselves; it's everything on earth that requires electricity to be produced, not just to operate. Without that production, you can't buy or barter for those goods because they don't exist like they used to.
Then there's the whole issue of keeping stuff cold that needs to be cold to prevent spoilage.
The power state of your laptop does not dictate if it will be fried or not. The damaging current is induced from the electromagnetic forces as described earlier in this thread, and that current will occur regardless of if the computer is powered on or powered off. The only viable option for the average person to go about saving electronics from EMP is to have them stored in a large metal box functioning like a proper Faraday cage.
Posted 15 September 2011 - 09:17 PM
Oh come on. Seriously? How long ago was the cannibalism thread?
Posted 16 September 2011 - 06:46 PM
I plan on being so far away from people that if I do see anyone, I'll shoot them for trespassing. And if hunting is not an option( too many people around or too close to a populated area), I take what I need. Defend it or lose it.
They're a much bigger issue than you can possibly imagine.
I dont need an Ipod, and Iphone, laptop, black berry, or any of that other crap. Heck I don't even have those things now. I dont even have a cell phone,and I'm living just fine.
Little history for you..The icebox( refrigerator) was invented to keep milk cool( to prevent spoiling over time). Thats it, not for meat or anything else. Meat was dried or salted or smoked to prevent spoilage. 99% of the crap we call food today needs to be kept cool because it has so much artificial crap in it that it'll spoil in hours.
I meant that it'll be kept off 90% of the time to extend its life and to prevent from coincidental EM burst from frying it. And if an EM burst kills a switched off electronic device( completely off, not even a battery in it for time keeping), then I'm WAY to close to the source...which in the most lickly case, it'll be a nuke. Which by that time I'll have about 20 minutes to live before I'm just cooked.
Trust me, dads an ex Navy MT, he knows his crap, and we have peen planning/training/perfecting our skills for many years now, we know our sh*t.
Posted 16 September 2011 - 08:27 PM
My pops was Army Mil Intel (525th @ Bragg until he blew a knee in the late 80s), did more types of survival training than I even know about now (SERE, Cold Weather Survival in the Actic Circle, NukeBioChem, etc, plus the Counter-surveillance stuff his job required. I hear new stories every once in a while). Doesn't mean it passed on to me.
Hearing about it from pops, being told what to do, reading a book on things, is not even close to legit training. My dad was a pretty good shot by Army standards. Doesn't mean I was naturally a good shot. I had to put in the practice. A LOT of practice as a matter of fact. What your dad can do and what your dad knows isn't what you can do or what you know. You have to earn your own stripes. We all do.
If his position was anything likr most .mil MOS, he was given a primer by the Navy on the subject, ONCE. You received that secondhand from him. Don't mistake that for expertise.
Furthermore . . .
An EMP isn't going to be a problem with ground level nuclear blasts. It's a problem created by HIGH ALTITUDE nuclear explosions. The blasts have to reach a certain altitude in order to disrupt the magnetosphere. Ground level blasts level everything for miles and cause fallout and radiation contamination. A high enough blast to cause an EMP might not even produce notable fallout.
And a laptop isn't going to be fried because it's wired to the grid or has a battery attached. The inherent density of conductors and sensitive magnetic components in such a compact device will produce quite enough power front the blast on it's own. Remember magnetic fields, plus metal, plus motion equal electricity. Just 2-3 properly placed EMPs could plunge all of North America into darkness. So unless you have something set aside SPECIFICALLY for that kind of situation, don't count on it. And dropping a few hundred for a laptop, metal safe, back-up hard drives, etc. just sitting there with no one ever using them isn't the most logical allocation of resources.
And you say you plan to shoot anyone you see. When things get back to normal (and they eventually will. Humans have a way of getting things back to something like normal. Might take a while, but we do.) then what's your plan for explaining all those dead people. Because you will have to answer for them. Someone will know they are missing, and generally where they went. And if a few people go missing in the community around your homestead/compound, you just might end up with an angry lynch mob, with torches and pitch forks, knocking at the door. People don't take kindly to sociopaths that kill anyone who gets close.
And finally, the most telling quote of the post . . .
Simple minded thuggery. You refuse to plan and prep ahead, and state you will take from those who did. Not only is that morally sickening, it is also a good way to end up dead yourself. Dead is not survival. So it is evil AND tactically unsound.
Rethink your strategy kid.
This post has been edited by PistolWhipped: 16 September 2011 - 08:36 PM
Posted 17 September 2011 - 10:35 AM
So, you're a thug. Defending something you have is one thing. "Taking what you need" without regard for methods is thuggery. PW hit this already, so I'll leave it at that, other than to say I shoot thugs in the post-EOTW scenario.
You're being selective in your electronics choices. What you're not considering is all the other things that depend on electricity for use, manufacture, or otherwise. For example, you are not going to be able to acquire or make new parts for most of your modern firearms, because all the machining and tools require power to operate. And believe me, eventually, sooner or later, everything wears out.
That's just one example; there's plenty of more.
Admittedly, you can go back to the old days of firearm manufacturing.... if you even know how to build one the way the blacksmiths did all those centuries ago.
True on the techniques to preserve meat longer, false on the reason food spoils without refrigeration.
Wrong. It's a high altitude burst to generate EMP. And it will be enough to induce current in the powered off laptop while posing no threat to you physically (aside from the new challenges associated with no electronic power)
PW explained it all, I don't need to repeat it.
Your posts, here and everywhere else on the forum, tell a very different story. You don't know this stuff, and your plan is just plain full of problems.
Outside of people who specifically handle this kind of stuff in the .mil world, they don't really know much and they never practice what they know.
Am I saying I am prepared for EMP? Hell no. I know that I need a better plan than hanging around here since there's no resources to speak of for anything long term (greater than a few months). Guns and ammunition shouldn't be a problem unless I run into London style mobs hellbent on my supplies. But food and water? Like I said, I can hold out for a few months if I have to and then I need a new plan.
But at least I, unlike you, am aware of the faults in my current situation.
This post has been edited by Thalion: 17 September 2011 - 10:36 AM