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Posted 15 September 2010 - 03:00 PM

Wassup SO?

Well first, I should probably introduce myself. Im Steel Tiger, (AKA Curtis) and i used to frequent a couple paintball forums a while back. I spent a good chunk of time on this one in particular. I haven't been on in a while though, due to my acceptance and subsequent attendance at the United States Military Academy. Now that the academic year has started, I won't be on here much, but I want to try to stop in every now and then.

But on to my question!

I want to build myself an AR15, partially to avoid taxes and partially because I think it would be cool. I don't want to go down to buying individual parts, just the upper reciever w/ barrel, bolt, bolt carrier, and charging handle, lower reciever with parts, and stock. I just want to make sure i do it right, and i hope you guys can help me with the few questions i have.

1. I believe that if I get a 5.56 barrel, I can also shoot .223 out of it, correct? Or is there a specific barrel i need to purchase with that?

2. Do you guys have any recommendations as to which company to purchase from? I know some are better than others, but I'm not sure which ones are the good ones. I don't want anything too pricey, but just a good "bang for my buck". My budget is $1,100.

3. Do you guys have any recommendations as to where to purchase the parts? Locations with military discounts are preferred, as I can take advantage of those now.

4. I was looking at some of the MOE stuff and i really like it. (Handguard, Stock, Mags) Any word on their stuff? Good or bad?

5. Is there anything else you think I should know before going on this endevour? Keep in mind that I do have experience with the M4, so i am familiar with the basic operations of the AR15 family of rifles.

6. Also, I live in PA, and firearm restrictions are more lax. So dont worry about california restrictions and whatnot.


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Posted 15 September 2010 - 03:27 PM

I 'member you. :P

1. 5.56 chambers can shoot .223, but not the other way around. There is also the .223 Wylde chamber found on the Rock River guns that is basically a .223 chamber with tolerances just loose enough to run 5.56, meaning accuracy is enhanced while reliability and safety is maintained. That would be my first recommendation.

2. I would recommend Rock River as the first place to look if you want the most reliable AR15 possible in your budget. Smith And Wesson also make a pretty good piece. DPMS and Stag Arms makes a good product at a somewhat less expensive price, and Del-Ton is the place to go to build a good quality budget AR15 (you could easily build 2 within your budget).

3. I would look at buying directly from the manufacturer. Especially with DPMS and DelTon rifles. Impact Guns usually has a buncha firearms stuff at a pretty good price as well.

4. Magpul hardware is solid, you won't regret outfitting an AR with it.

5. Are you an AR15 Armorer? I know dodging the tax is a nice thing, BUT part of what you buy with a full AR15 is having it built by a professional armorer. This will lead to fewer reliability issues. Also, feed it with Magpul PMags. They are the most reliable magazine for the AR platform, and easily solve 90% of the most common reliability issues.


tl:dr Rock River > Smith and Wesson > Stag Arms > DPMS > DelTon, but I would recommend any of them.


Have fun man. And post a pic of her when you are done.

EDIT: OOOOOooooH. Forgot to ask. Considering any other calibers than 5.56/.223? Like 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendel?

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Posted 15 September 2010 - 05:11 PM

Ah, so that's where you've been. :D
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Posted 15 September 2010 - 06:09 PM

If it's your first AR, honestly buy a complete upper and build your lower from the ground up. The lower is a lot harder to screw up badly, and it's a good experience still.

PW hit most of the other stuff, so I'll let that stand.
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Posted 16 September 2010 - 12:27 AM

I don't have much to add after PistolWhipped. Except that getting a Colt/Bushmaster is superior, but really expensive.
My uncle (who is a retired officer. Colonel, I believe, maybe Lt. Col), just got a Colt AR15. 18" Barrel, A3 Flat Top Receiver, Trijcon ACOG... Cost twice as much as my car, but he said he missed his rifle and "needed something to shoot 'Coyotes' on the farm" with.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 04:25 AM

View PostPirate, on 16 September 2010 - 02:27 AM, said:

I don't have much to add after PistolWhipped. Except that getting a Colt/Bushmaster is superior, but really expensive.
My uncle (who is a retired officer. Colonel, I believe, maybe Lt. Col), just got a Colt AR15. 18" Barrel, A3 Flat Top Receiver, Trijcon ACOG... Cost twice as much as my car, but he said he missed his rifle and "needed something to shoot 'Coyotes' on the farm" with.



Bushmaster is kind of like DPMS. Nowhere near Colt.

I would take the S&W over the Bushy.
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Posted 16 September 2010 - 07:47 AM

View PostThalion, on 16 September 2010 - 07:25 AM, said:

View PostPirate, on 16 September 2010 - 02:27 AM, said:

I don't have much to add after PistolWhipped. Except that getting a Colt/Bushmaster is superior, but really expensive.
My uncle (who is a retired officer. Colonel, I believe, maybe Lt. Col), just got a Colt AR15. 18" Barrel, A3 Flat Top Receiver, Trijcon ACOG... Cost twice as much as my car, but he said he missed his rifle and "needed something to shoot 'Coyotes' on the farm" with.



Bushmaster is kind of like DPMS. Nowhere near Colt.

I would take the S&W over the Bushy.


Thalion Hit it. Colt makes great (and expensive) AR15s, but Bushy is in the Stag and DPMS range.

And unless I planned to resell the AR I'd take a Rock River over the Colt. Biggest advantage of a Colt is that it retains more resale value.

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Posted 16 September 2010 - 07:43 PM

View PostPistolWhipped, on 15 September 2010 - 06:27 PM, said:

I 'member you. :P

1. 5.56 chambers can shoot .223, but not the other way around. There is also the .223 Wylde chamber found on the Rock River guns that is basically a .223 chamber with tolerances just loose enough to run 5.56, meaning accuracy is enhanced while reliability and safety is maintained. That would be my first recommendation.

2. I would recommend Rock River as the first place to look if you want the most reliable AR15 possible in your budget. Smith And Wesson also make a pretty good piece. DPMS and Stag Arms makes a good product at a somewhat less expensive price, and Del-Ton is the place to go to build a good quality budget AR15 (you could easily build 2 within your budget).

3. I would look at buying directly from the manufacturer. Especially with DPMS and DelTon rifles. Impact Guns usually has a buncha firearms stuff at a pretty good price as well.

4. Magpul hardware is solid, you won't regret outfitting an AR with it.

5. Are you an AR15 Armorer? I know dodging the tax is a nice thing, BUT part of what you buy with a full AR15 is having it built by a professional armorer. This will lead to fewer reliability issues. Also, feed it with Magpul PMags. They are the most reliable magazine for the AR platform, and easily solve 90% of the most common reliability issues.


tl:dr Rock River > Smith and Wesson > Stag Arms > DPMS > DelTon, but I would recommend any of them.


Have fun man. And post a pic of her when you are done.

EDIT: OOOOOooooH. Forgot to ask. Considering any other calibers than 5.56/.223? Like 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendel?


Thanks PW, there's a lot of good info in there. I really appreciate it.

I'm not an armorer, but i know a few. I'm sure they'd help me out for a reasonable price.


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Ah, so that's where you've been. :D


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View PostThalion, on 15 September 2010 - 09:09 PM, said:

If it's your first AR, honestly buy a complete upper and build your lower from the ground up. The lower is a lot harder to screw up badly, and it's a good experience still.

PW hit most of the other stuff, so I'll let that stand.


Thanks Thalion. I'll look in to a complete upper.
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Posted 16 September 2010 - 07:44 PM

Oh and PW, i did't really think about any other calibers. Really only familar with the .223 and 5.56. What are the advantages and disadvantages of the others?
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Posted 16 September 2010 - 08:12 PM

There are a buncha wildcat options, but your two biggest contenders in alternate AR calibers are the 6.5 Grendel and the 6.8 Remington Special Purpose Cartridge (i.e 6.8 SPC). They both have there merits and drawbacks.

The 6.5 Grendel was designed to offer more reach than the standard AR was built for. It fires a .26 caliber bullet with a comparatively high ballistic co-efficient from a 39mm case. Is retains energy WAY downrange(I wanna say it has more energy retained at 1000 yards than a .308 does), and is the caliber to choose if you want an AR that will reach way out. Granted, you need an 18"-20" barrel MINIMUM to get enough velocity for effective usage, as the short case doesn't really have enough powder so you need a long barrel to get a complete burn. Also, the ammo is a bit pricey and the uppers to shoot it are even more so.

The 6.8 SPC is the other end of the spectrum. It was designed to offer superior terminal ballistics out of shorter barreled rifles. It fires a fairly light .27 caliber bullet at respectably high velocity (due to the powder capacity of it's parent case, the .30 Remington), even from carbine or SBR sized rifles. It is also an accurate round out to as far as you'd realistically want to shoot an AR (500-600 yards) and is quite a bit more common than the 6.5 Grendel, with many 6.8 uppers only marginally more expensive than 5.56 ones. Your tradeoff in this instance is, again, price of ammo, but, if I had an AR, I'd definitely look at getting an additional upper in 6.8 SPC. A full sized rifle in 6.8 might make a hell of a deer rifle.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 05:14 PM

I really have nothing to add, but best of luck!

i've always wanted to build an AR 15, but really never had that kind of funding, and never read up on how to cause i know i'd never be happy till i finally had it.

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Posted 17 September 2010 - 05:50 PM

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There are a buncha wildcat options, but your two biggest contenders in alternate AR calibers are the 6.5 Grendel and the 6.8 Remington Special Purpose Cartridge (i.e 6.8 SPC). They both have there merits and drawbacks.

The 6.5 Grendel was designed to offer more reach than the standard AR was built for. It fires a .26 caliber bullet with a comparatively high ballistic co-efficient from a 39mm case. Is retains energy WAY downrange(I wanna say it has more energy retained at 1000 yards than a .308 does), and is the caliber to choose if you want an AR that will reach way out. Granted, you need an 18"-20" barrel MINIMUM to get enough velocity for effective usage, as the short case doesn't really have enough powder so you need a long barrel to get a complete burn. Also, the ammo is a bit pricey and the uppers to shoot it are even more so.

The 6.8 SPC is the other end of the spectrum. It was designed to offer superior terminal ballistics out of shorter barreled rifles. It fires a fairly light .27 caliber bullet at respectably high velocity (due to the powder capacity of it's parent case, the .30 Remington), even from carbine or SBR sized rifles. It is also an accurate round out to as far as you'd realistically want to shoot an AR (500-600 yards) and is quite a bit more common than the 6.5 Grendel, with many 6.8 uppers only marginally more expensive than 5.56 ones. Your tradeoff in this instance is, again, price of ammo, but, if I had an AR, I'd definitely look at getting an additional upper in 6.8 SPC. A full sized rifle in 6.8 might make a hell of a deer rifle.



Thanks PW, ill be sure to look into those.


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Posted 17 September 2010 - 06:49 PM

You know MO owns this game now, right?
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 05:07 PM

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You know MO owns this game now, right?



Owns the game? What do you mean?
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Posted 18 September 2010 - 07:39 PM

MO owns SO. I was sure you'd been back since the change.
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