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Concept Snipermag vs. what is currently being used With pictures, games and prizes! Well... no games or prizes. Rate Topic: ***** 3 Votes

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Posted 04 February 2006 - 09:45 PM

Okay. I got a lil design I would like to share with the sniper folk.

Here is a fully integrated hopper/stock, on a SUPER low profile automag. The mag is a warp right feed ULE body. The hose wraps around to the right side, to the warp opening. All existing gear for the automag, and all easily accessble.

What does not exist is the stock. The warp feed is well used, and very fast. 99.9 percent of markers out there, including fully automatic markers can not out shoot the warp. Yes, I know there are exceptions, but not many. Besides, this is a sniper marker.

Check it out...

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Included is a pic of the Black Cell sniper for reference of profile, balance, and looks.

The automag is one of the quietest markers in the world. Perfect for the sniper.

The automag is very accurate, and very lightweight. It is the perfect sniper platform, and it is no suprise the platform for the Longbow is an automag.

The most notable thing about the mag in the picture is the hopper/stock. It obviously works as both, and the weight of the paint in the stock is removed while firing, as it is braced. It should have a capacity of at least 100 rounds. No pod winding like with the Q Loader or off-feild pod loading, and you can actually keep firing while reloading the warp. If you find yourself ever supressing, for any reason, this will save you.

The hopper would have to be foam lined so as not to allow ball rattle noise, like the richochet hoppers. Foam greatly reduces this noise.

The picatinny rails are there so the user may add a foregrip is they wish. There are hundreds of after market grips to choose from. Could also be for a laser, flashlight, expresso machine, etc.

The sight has been offset, as this design does not allow for much mask clearance. Normally I am not a proponent of offsetting a sight, but for this design it is worth it. Same sighting ability, but with a lower profile than any marker out there. Way less of you, or your marker sticking out while shooting. Perfect for the sniper.

Any barrel can be used. I personally would use a quiet 14 inch barrel. Of course, it is widley known that anything past 14 inches uses too much gas to get the paintball out of the barrel, and the added friction from the length lowers the shot velocity. A 14 inch barrel also has the same accuracy as an 18 inch, in almost every case. One could use a longer barrel for looks tho.

There are downsides however...

This marker uses batteries to power the warp feed. I personally hate using batteries, as I have a bad memory to replace them. If you dont mind this, and can remember, then this wont be an issue.

It is back heavy, but once shouldered in firing position (how a sniper spends alot of their time) the weight melts away.

So, go ahead and let me know your thoughts. Thanks for any input in advance. Please keep it constructive and on-topic. Thanks again.

UPDATE: Here it is with air on gun. Not my fave configuration, due to the weight near the barrel, but may balance out. Great for people that do not prefer air-thru.
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Posted 04 February 2006 - 11:53 PM

thats pretty sweet.... great idea..... so do you consider shadow lm a real position or does the LM mean shadow lame whats the deal pm me on this subject
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 12:11 AM

The warp feed needs a motorized hopper to feed the balls or else this wouldn't work. You can't just put a gravity fed hopper onto the warp and expect it to always have a ball to feed. Figure out a way to have some way of "pushing" the balls into the warp, and you might have a good idea there.
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 12:12 AM

Weaver rails need to be mounted towards the front of the grip. You get more stability on your bi pod that way.

You may also want to consider a tank in the foregrip. It'd have to be small of course, but do-able.
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 12:13 AM

I love it !
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 12:53 AM

View Postninja monkey, on Feb 5 2006, 12:53 AM, said:

thats pretty sweet.... great idea..... so do you consider shadow lm a real position or does the LM mean shadow lame whats the deal pm me on this subject


I dont mind going off-topic for a post or two. Thanks for the consideration.

I actually do beleive in a Shadow position. Super light and super fast to get into further positions faster, like a speedball frontman. Super quiet, and makes correct gear choices to be so. Super small marker profile, and lightweight balanced markers. Minimum target profile and tight play style... again like a speeedballer.

No overpriced clunky markers. No 16-18 inch in-efficient barrels. No loud markers. No ghillie suits, vests or backpacks. They work well but add to weight and money cost, and are not needed in most cases (unless hiding with the ghillie). Just light belts and military webbing, and perhaps a homemade ghillie cloak. No overpriced gawdy clothing or equipment. Takes the best of a few positions, but takes orders as a sniper would. A Shadow sacrifices fashion to improve their function. Most important: No gear list, only a certain sensibility when purchasing gear. Light light light.

Basicly, a Shadow is a light practical sniper that can bolt into a new position or fall back/advance as fast as a speedballer/dagger. Made for paintball games that last 20 to 30 minutes. The ultimate flanker. Yes, this position actually exists to me and I beleive it is vital.

A Shadow is a person who does not define themselves by how much gear they own, or its cost. A Shadow focuses on MINIMUM gear, and MAXIMUM output on the feild. I have heard of non-ghillied pump snipers who own Angel owners. They are Shadows.

That is not to say that Snipers are not as valuable as Shadows. They are, and more so in certain situations. Snipers that do not move are nearly invisible, and a Shadow is seen when they dart around and re-locate. Snipers are the ultimate defensive measure in my opinion, but are a touch slower when aggresive flanking/fall back/counterattacking (ghost flanking) and offensive marksmanship. A Shadow will tag someone and more likley advance a flank, where most paintball snipers tag someone and stay put, or fall back into a new spot as per a ghost flank.

Thanks for the interest. They removed my other thread, for some reason, so I am glad to have had a chance to explain myself here. Thanks again.

I dont mind this thread gettin a little off topic, but lets remeber to peruse and contribute to the marker, for the sake of the greater good. Thanks.

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Posted 05 February 2006 - 07:12 AM

cool gun... still i dislike the shadow...

but wouldn't the gun be a bit heavy with 200 rounds in the stock and th tank on front would have to be tank probably smaller then 9 ounce, other wise pretty cool

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Posted 05 February 2006 - 07:33 AM

Thats a very interesting idea, I like it alot. I currently use a Tac-One w/ Q-Loader, definatly a very quiet and accurate marker.

One point about your on gun air pic, if you're using an RT or X-Valve you must use compressed air rather than what appears to be co2 in your pic. Most air tanks I've seen wouldn't fit too well in that position.

And as to the person who said you must use an agitated/electric hopper for the warp feed....you don't have to, it just helps alot. You could rely on gravity to roll balls into the warp, however you'd only have the high fire rate until you emptied the balls in the warp. Then you'd have to wait for balls to roll their way in to refill it. For a sniper that wouldn't be to bad.

Overall though a very cool idea. Not really for my style of play but I could see snipers making good use of this setup.

Also in regards to your Shadow position. Sounds very similiar to the Ghost Flanker position, which is as close to a Sniper as I ever play. My attention span is much better suited to Dagger but when I get off on my own I tend to take the flank in a very fast yet stealthy manner. :D
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 01:22 PM

Shadow sounds like my Shuriken... Basically a Ghost Flanker and Dagger combined.
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 01:42 PM

Likey, but not much room to use the sight like your other drawings,

actualy i like the other drawings better, no offence, im more with the Q-loader and almost T-stock like solid stock.
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 02:49 PM

View PostPB Ghost, on Feb 5 2006, 02:42 PM, said:

Likey, but not much room to use the sight like your other drawings,

actualy i like the other drawings better, no offence, im more with the Q-loader and almost T-stock like solid stock.


True true. No sight clearance, and shot totally different way than my other designs. This is designed for prone firing, with ultra-low profile, making use of offsets. Ugh. I personally do not like the offsets, but Tipmann got most of their owners needing them, so it is now part of the mil-sim purchase list.

Also, the Q Loader is perfectly silent stock, whereas this hopper/stock needs foam, and will still get a little rattle.

This warp configuration could kinda be a preference thing, by my prsonal preference leads me to liking the Q one better too.

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Posted 05 February 2006 - 04:37 PM

u and ur ideas shadow. i like it somewhat.
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Posted 05 February 2006 - 07:06 PM

Lately I've noticed all these complicated designs and what not, and I was thinking, what's wrong with just mounting a Q-Loader under your barrel, and running tank on gun? You have low profile, something to brace your shoulder with, and plenty of mask cleareance. Plus you don't have the extra weight of a stock. At the moment my evLution II w/ZBoard and Ion with 70/4500 are rocking. I don't even plan on buying Blackcell, or any more mods except maybe some inetrnals to quiet my gun. So before you buy your next mod, think to yourself, is it worth it? Will it help me as much as it says? Do I really need it? Are there cheaper alternatives that can perform the same function? Do you like the upgrade? I could go on and on. However I've noticed SpecOps has been pretty good on there items, except they are pretty high quality causing prices to go up, which some people don't understand. I've also noticed that thanks to SpecOps, Opsgear has improved in quality as well. Just remember though before you buy something, ask yourself if you really need it.

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Posted 05 February 2006 - 07:30 PM

Sweet. Is that a 12'' barrel? Hopefully my JJ Edge Kit will align with the Q-loader. I think it's around 14 and 3/4'' to 15''... Either way it will still rock.

EDIT: The only thing that bothers me as everyone else is the hose. I wish you could get like an inverted Q-Lock or something. WAIT! I've got it! SpecOps needs to invent a hard outer ring for the hose, so you can use it on your feedneck much like you screw in a hopper. This way you could mod a very low feedneck, and lower the hose.

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Posted 06 February 2006 - 12:48 AM

View Postshadowplayer, on Feb 4 2006, 08:45 PM, said:

The automag is one of the quietest markers in the world. Perfect for the sniper.

The automag is very accurate, and very lightweight. It is the perfect sniper platform, and it is no suprise the platform for the Longbow is an automag.

View Postshadowplayer, on Feb 5 2006, 01:49 PM, said:

Also, the Q Loader is perfectly silent stock, whereas this hopper/stock needs foam, and will still get a little rattle.

I just feel like saying few things.
Notattacking so a note ahead of time you can relax.
The automag is a quite marker, but the Ion has been noted as a marker that can be modded to make "no sound"(this being 10ft and farther). So i was just noting this since you treat it like the Ion is a loud Tippmann A5.(which it is not).
My next one was just like the first but about how accurate both markers are. I my self have used both and found that the Ion and Auto mag float in the same boat when it comes down to how accurate they are. So the ion and Auto mag are very close... both can be made better as you know.
The Next is about the loader, and it is the same as I said in the hammer section.
Next. About the q-loader vs. others in sound. I have used many, MANY loaders in my time and I have never noticed them (well there is on, the vl quantum) while playing. Since most hoppers with stop the motor when a ball has entered the feed neck (reloader b/b2 feed by sound and you never hear them thanks to the sound of your marker). I just felt like bringing this up because again you make it sound like it a huge issue. Almost like other hoppers like say a Halo B is a like a jet engine while on top of most markers. Yes the q-loader is the fastest but you’ll never out shoot a halo “with your fingers”… trust me.
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