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Posted 10 January 2010 - 12:28 PM

Its been forever since ive been actice on these Forums, but im back again with an open discussion. Im starting my Senior graduation project for High School, and my topic was Custom Rifle Building. My product is going to be building a working rifle from the ground up. Ive already got an idea about what materials i want to use, but i figured you guys on here would have some good insight into other options.

Im pretty much decided on using a Remington 700 action, but everything else is still pretty much open. I want a heavy contour fluted barrel and some form of a Varmint or "Sniper Rifle" style stock. I had looked at Krieger and Shilen barrels, and Bell & Carlson and Mcmillan stocks. I had also found the Knoxx/ Blackhawk Axiom TH stock and varios Carbon Fiber barrels, namely Whack & Stack. Im undeceided on Triggers, ill use pretty much anything that breks clean and wont creep. Im open as far as reccomendations, these are just materials ive looked at so far. If ive missed anything, let me know. I probably just forgot to mention it as im in a bit of a stressed out mood today...

For any "get a stock that fits your build" comments, im about 5 foot 6 inches, 114 lbs. Ive shot Monte Carlo and various vintage military stocked guns most of my life, and i can make just about anything work for me as long as it dosent feel cheap in my hands. Thats always been a pet peeve, cheap plastics.

So, i guess what im saying is if anyone has any reccomendations, comments, or advice on materials or ways to acquire them, let me know. I need all the help I can get.
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 01:57 PM

I'd start with something a little smaller, like a .22 or .17 rifle. If you mess up, you're a lot less likely to hurt yourself or others.

Savage Accutriggers are pretty awesome, but I don't know if you can get them as a standalone.

MacMillan stocks are amazing. They feel really solid without being too heavy.
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Posted 10 January 2010 - 04:59 PM

You sure about that 700? It's a solid action, to be sure, but for a beginners rifle build, a Stevens/Savage action is easier to work on, especially if you want to minimize how much you have to pay a gunsmith. Guys build 1000+ yard Stevens/Savages in their garage all the time.

Next, caliber? You want a precise varminter in .223 or .204, a flat shooting target rifle in .260, a police/marksman's .308, a long range .300 Win Mag, a dangerous game .375 Holland & Holland? And this can also effect length of action. Many calibers .308 and below are capable of being shot from a long or short action.

Also, you want a rifle that is a pure benchrest rifle, or one light enough to carry and use? An untapered barrel blank alone can run to 20+ Pounds, so this is a big area for variance. Stocks can be light sporters up to heavy laminated benchrest pieces. Weight can get out of hand quick if you don't set goals and limits.

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 02:56 PM

Im prety set on .300 Win Mag, ill be working with a qualified gunsmith, and hes gunna make sure i do everything right. Theres no way id let myself or the SCHOOL would let me build this thing by myself :ghillie:

I was looking for more of a long range .300 Win Mag. I thought id put in what caliber i wanted, guess that was one of the things i forgot :P Ive seen a lot of Timney and Jewell triggers, whats the word on them?

As far as weight, id like it to be manageable. Its not gunna be something ill be trecking all around the woods with though. Whats the weight on the standard M40 the USMC uses? 20 lbs or less? prefferably lighter than that. Im leaning more towards a synthetic stocked gun, possibly a mcmillan or Bell & Carlson. any other quality names out there?

And well, id looked at either the 700 action or a weatherby of some sort. Ive been around both, im not new to them. I think what im going to do is find a doner gun, gut it, and go from there. it seems to be cheaper than buying stand alone actions..
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Posted 11 January 2010 - 04:25 PM

Aww, and here I was with a whole pitch set for the Stevens rifle builds. If you'd like to see some GREAT Savage/Stevens hardware, check out http://www.sharpshoo....com/index.html for everything you'd need. Since you prefer wood stocks, the Laminate Varmint/Tactical stock these dudes make is amazing. And I'm more familiar with building from these platforms. I'm not quite as familiar wit the 700 as I am with the Savage.

Still, 700 is a nice action. And if you have a good smith on hand, I'll go to town.

I would say one thing though, look at Surgeon Actions. They are basically 700 actions that have been manufactured to the highest precision levels. You'll need a long action, and probably a repeater. Here's the XL action.

http://www.surgeonrifles.com/products/acti...;product_id=143

If not, still try to get a 700 Varmint action. They are the same action that the 700Ps are built on. Your call whether to get it trued, blueprinted, lapped, or any of the other custom touches to enhance accuracy. Just a note, the floating bolt head of the Stevens doesn't require this, which is a $200 savings right there. :ghillie:

Now, barrels are a BIG part of accuracy in rifles. Look at Pac Nor, Lilja, Douglas, Kreiger, Shilen, or Lothar Walther. These guys are all TOP notch barrel makers. And if anyone tells you these need break-in, they are lying. Great thing about premium match barrels. They come ready to shoot out of the box. I'd suggest a 24-26" barrel, with flutes if you can afford it, in a reasonable contour. A lighter Palma or Benchrest Straight Taper barrel contour should work well in this role, or possibly a varmint contour of some type. You'll need to work out the specifics of what you want yourself.

Stocks. Since you have mentioned you like wood, I'll suggest you check out a Laminated stock. They are a bit heavier than cheap plastic, but are very solid and stable. These guys have a few worth mention.

http://www.rifle-stocks.com/
http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/Replacement-...mington-s/7.htm

If you do want a synthetic stock, I'd recommend Bell and Carlson OR Choate as a steal for the price.

http://www.bellandca...n.com/Page8.htm (look at Remington Tactical Style and Vertical Grip Tactical Style)

http://www.choatesto...mateSniper.html

http://www.riflestock.com/catalog_page_det...&recordno=1

Triggers? Timney and Jewell are the gold standard. Both are great. Rifle Basix triggers are great and allow you to select YOUR ideal trigger pull weight as well.

Now, all the rifle in the world is USELESS without solid glass on top. You need a good mount, preferably a solid one piece mount, and a set of solid rings. For glass, the Bushnell Elite 3200 is known as a great value, and the most affordable long range optics option. Following that is the SWFA Super Sniper series of optics. I'd suggest the 10x42mm if you go with that. Both have mil-dot reticules, and both can and do reach WAY out accurately on rifles capable of it.

Also, look into ballistics software and a laser range finder. Knowing how far the target is and what your bullet is going to do between here and there is important.

My skull isn't kicking out any more necessary tidbits, unless you want to reload (which for long range shooting, isn't a bad idea anyway).

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Posted 11 January 2010 - 06:14 PM

haha, sorry to disappoint on the Savage pitch, ive pretty much had my mind made up :unsure:

i was REALLY looking at a Bell and Carlson stock i found, its the one on the Remington XCR tactical rifle. I have yet to find it on their site though.... shame. i loved the way it looked.

i put i liked wood stocks? haha, idr it... ive used synthetics whenever i could.

Ive already contacted Krieger, and the gunsmith im working with had reccomended them. I think im going to go for a varmint contour with this one, fluted if i can scrape up the money.

the only problem with the Surgeon action is the price... i think im just going to stick with a 700 and do all the fancy little things to it :dodgy:

i was actually planning on reloading for this gun, my dad and i already have the equipment for it. hes been hunting with a Weatherby Vanguard in .300 for as long as i could remember, and hes always loaded for it.

as for triggers, im still undecided. as long as its adjustable and comfortable, ill use it. ive shot an SKS for so long, its amazing every time i get my hands on a decent trigger XD
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Posted 11 January 2010 - 08:31 PM

My mistake, I took "cheap plastics" as an aversion to synthetic. If you like synthetic, then Choate or B&C are great. There are nicer options, but those are correspondingly more expensive, and I'm sure you're not looking for a $5000 rifle.

Oh, I will say, look at Accuracy International's Remi 700 options. Stocks and detachable box magazines are my personal favorites.
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Posted 12 January 2010 - 08:18 AM

You get to build a rifle as your senior project? Mine had to be something that would benefit the community.
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Posted 12 January 2010 - 01:27 PM

Rifles do benefit the community. :D
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Posted 12 January 2010 - 07:36 PM

they do. it really depends on your definintion of a community though :dodgy:
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Posted 14 January 2010 - 06:37 PM

View PostPistolWhipped, on Jan 11 2010, 09:31 PM, said:

My mistake, I took "cheap plastics" as an aversion to synthetic. If you like synthetic, then Choate or B&C are great. There are nicer options, but those are correspondingly more expensive, and I'm sure you're not looking for a $5000 rifle.

Oh, I will say, look at Accuracy International's Remi 700 options. Stocks and detachable box magazines are my personal favorites.


Id really thought about a detachable mag, but i kinda want to keep it hunting legal as well.... 5 rounds :/ I think B&C is going to be my overall best choise, its gunna be good quality and it wont cost an arm and a leg. Id looove to find that Reminton XCR stock for sale, but i dont think they are selling just the stock. they have other options, though...

View PostAshrak, on Jan 12 2010, 02:27 PM, said:

Rifles do benefit the community. :panzer:


hahaha, this is true :panzer:
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Posted 14 January 2010 - 07:35 PM

Alrighty, ive contacted the guys at Krieger, and im going to call them and talk to them about a barrel sometime soon. Ive also narrowed it down to two different Bell & Carlson stocks- the Medalist and Adjustable Medalist Varmint/ Tactical stocks. I think im going with the Green/ black web, but im really looking at the tan/ black web, too. any opinions on either stock? Id looked at the Light Tactical, but they dont offer it in Long Action on the website yet.l

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Posted 19 February 2010 - 11:14 PM

Bell & Carlson Light Tactical Medalist Synthetic Stock

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?prod..._campaign=10636

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This something like the stock you were looking for? They also offer a version of this with a vertical grip, the Bell & Carlson Full Tactical Medalist Synthetic Stock.

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Also, any updates?
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Posted 21 February 2010 - 11:31 AM

Your high school is seriously letting you do this? That's awesome!

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Posted 21 February 2010 - 07:49 PM

Pistolwhipped, i had looked at those. my problem with the light tactical is that it isnt offered in long action. my project gun is hopefully going to be in .300 Win Mag, which requires a long action. The other one, the adjustable one, was one i was really considering.

as for updates, ive contacted companies and put my name on the calling list for every pawn shop, gun shop, and friends who buy guns in the area, and nothing has turned up yet.

and Bagels, i was just as surprised as you are... i was originally going to build a gun from a parts kit, but they said if i was going to, i had to build it from ground up. gives me an excuse to finally get a tactical rifle :laugh:

Im pretty much sitting on my haunches waiting for something to hit me. I check gunbroker frequently, and everyone in the area knows to call me if they come across ANYTHING chambered in .300 Win Mag.

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