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Posted 25 April 2008 - 12:38 PM

This is just my opinion -but JT = junk (aside from the apparel and loaders). JT is there to make money off the franchise while sacrificing quality. I am already noticing the newer WGP markers like the Synergy have the plastic tube feed next that usually goes along with a low quality marker.

Anyone else have an opinion on this matter?
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 12:40 PM

Synergy = spyder clone basically.
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 01:24 PM

Been outta the loop a while?

Back in '04, KEE (now Jarden) bought up WGP. Quality didn't decline too quickly... but by now, there's no longer even a WGP as we know it.

About a month ago, Jarden announced the discontinuation of the Autococker line as a whole. Hundreds of body blanks, thousands of pneumatic components, hammers, bolts, LP hose, trigger frames, etc were sold to the public en masse. We all saw it coming as soon as the Trilogies hit the market.

The SR was the last autococker built, and didn't fare especially well on the market, so they decided to cut losses. Nobody wants an "outdated" design that involves more than one part to fiddle with, because the average paintballer couldn't tell the difference between a Shocker and a Nerve, let alone between a PMP and a Hollowpoint, or a pressure compensated LPR versus a PRV LPR. Cockers became a liability when the average intelligence/ dedication dropped, so it made good business sense.
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 01:26 PM

History, its a good thing, look into it...

JT is a premier manufacture even after being bought by K2 which says something.

Here's the facts, in the 90's an investment and sports production company wanted to get into the paintball market, they bought Brass Eagle, who at the time was a leader in manufacturing and products. After 2 years Brass Eagle was regarded as the low-end of the low now longer leading the industry but still turning out more crap then a poo farm. Years later K2 bought up JT and View Loader, JT held onto it's products and continue to make well designed clothes and pants as well as leading masks. Years later K2 need a new marker to sell so they found a shill and a sell out, Bud Orr and WGP, Orr sold out and K2 proceeded to protect their investment by killing it, K2 was souly responisble of the death of the AutoCocker. 3 years later K2 goes belly up and JT was bought out by Jared something that starts with a T, JT survived with VL and WGP (what's left) in toe. JT still makes top teir gear and with WGP has a higher end marker...

Actually WGP hasn't annouced anything beyond a selling of old stock, KEE is NOT K2 and JT is selling everything they can for a move to AK, their new HQ. WGP is still around as well as the SR which is picking up sales, what is dead is the Old Autococker Design.

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Posted 25 April 2008 - 04:08 PM

SR is still being supported? Jeff Orr said the Autococker was no longer being supported, hence the sale of all old inventory...

Hard to imagine the SR isn't an autococker. But hey, whatever.
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 04:19 PM

When did Orr say that?
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 06:23 PM

Right before he sold off all the cocker parts (at least according to some of the boys on MCB). Sad, huh?
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Posted 25 April 2008 - 09:29 PM

Jeff orr is completely out of the sport and no longer associated (on paper) with the WGP line...

Its been realized for a long time semi auto cockers dont have much or a market anymore and the pump market (which they did briefly scratch with the ltd prostocks and karnis) for some reason didnt appeal to them enough to pursue.

Its sad...cockers are great guns I do and always will own at least one cocker just like many others but for the typical person playing rec ball its not worth the trouble of working on and the tourney player wants something low maintenance with minimal moving/parts in general.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 06:30 AM

View PostTeddy K, on Apr 25 2008, 11:29 PM, said:

Jeff orr is completely out of the sport and no longer associated (on paper) with the WGP line...

Its been realized for a long time semi auto cockers dont have much or a market anymore and the pump market (which they did briefly scratch with the ltd prostocks and karnis) for some reason didnt appeal to them enough to pursue.

Its sad...cockers are great guns I do and always will own at least one cocker just like many others but for the typical person playing rec ball its not worth the trouble of working on and the tourney player wants something low maintenance with minimal moving/parts in general.

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it certainly does suck what has happened to autocockers.. the moving parts thing may be true, but to the person that doesnt have any in depth experience with them thinks that they are super complicated and high maintinence, which is not near true. true, they do need occasional maintinence, but i wouldnt ever consider it high maintinence.

its a shame, especially for late comers in the cocker game like me...
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Posted 28 April 2008 - 07:01 AM

Just means parts are getting cheaper ;)

And really, cocker threaded barrels are never gonna die, at least not soon, so that's nice... and rams, we can always grab from SMC, like Sandridge did, or from Clippard, and for spool valves, if we go e-cocker there's a million options, and if not, well, we hope Belsales and PPS tough it out (which I know at least PPS will), or we grab some Fabco manifold mount jobs. LPRs, every other gun uses em, so even if the cocker threaded version dies, we just gotta create a different front block, or an adapter. Hammers are a simple fabrication job, so are bolts, and Merlin-sized valves are especially easy to come by.

I'm not complaining... the only real "loss" I see in all of this is as far as the bodies are concerned, and the ability to get stock parts cheap. All WGP was really great at, IMO, was body milling, valves, and bolts... and a few LPRs weren't too horrific. FBM has the bodies now, PPS has the pneus, and Belsales has different pneus, and internals, and AKA has internals too.
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