Do you carry a gun around when you ref?
Posted 10 August 2006 - 05:42 PM
Posted 10 August 2006 - 06:28 PM
Posted 10 August 2006 - 08:47 PM
"Back in the day" there were few fields around to play on. It was generally a rule that when you got hit, you became a ref, and many of us carried an orange vest in a pocket to put on and indicate that you were no longer active in the game. (even though you might still be carrying your marker with a plug in it)
Nobody I know would even consider that a ref would be able to shoot someone who was still in the game. I never heard of it until I came here, to this specops board.
I find the concept disgraceful.
A Referee is a Judge, and therefore must be separate and above the players. Once you allow refs to involve themselves in the play, then there is no distinction between refs and players.
One of the basic criteria for being a ref is the ability to pull a player once you have determined that they have been eliminated. If you can't do that, then you are not a ref.
There should be no need to escalate the problem when you have a miscreant player to deal with. Laying hands on someone is absolutely out of the question, no matter how badly they deserve it.
I've had to stand in front of a player and refuse to move, taking multiple hits from close range rather than allow him to continue play after I had called him out. Being a ref means sometimes putting yourself in jeapordy, that's part of the job.
Having a ref that can shoot you during a game is identical to having a ref physically grab a player to shut him down. It's not acceptable behavior from someone who is supposed to be the authority figure.
And shooting a player to "get his attention"??!?
Excuse me, but it's a refs' JOB to have the attention of players at all times. A player who does not pay attention to the ref may be penalized in many ways, and should be. But ONLY at a level above merely behaving like another noob and shooting him in the arse. Face it, to be a Ref means you are part of field management with all the responsibilities and authority to go along with it. Sit a player out, or have him ejected from from the field, but never do anything that could be construed as biased or less than professional.
So it boils down to either you are a (live) player able to shoot someone, or you are a ref and outside the game behaving like a judge.
Just my opinion, based on 18+ years of paintball. (so far)
PTI #2691 ~ C1, C2, C5, C5a, C6
Posted 11 August 2006 - 03:02 AM
Oh, and nice post Jim.
Posted 11 August 2006 - 03:49 AM
After the role is eliminated out of the game, they go toss on a vest and go to where ever assistance may be needed with reffing. If a fire fight breaks out while they are role playing, they are to assist the base ref if needed. Basicly it puts more ref's on the field.
It's not like I just carry a Zues when I am a regular ref. I dont need to give the players a reason to shoot me any more than they do now.
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Posted 11 August 2006 - 11:22 AM
I've had a case where I wish I had one and I didn't so if I carry one I shouldn't need it according to Murphy and I do not want to shoot players.
Posted 11 August 2006 - 12:07 PM
However, I do this because we occasionally get some major [jerks] that come play. They find it funny to shoot the ref, and don't like to listen. We do our best to remove them from the field, but sometimes the [jerks] won't listen until you whip out a pistol and pop them one in the lense. Keep in mind, I only use this as a last resort (and infact have only used it twice in 1.5 years of reffing at the field).
My problem is, I'm 17. The two people I have had to use it on where both older than me (college students) and didn't feel they had to listen to me. I'd much rather just pull the guy from the field, but it doesn't always work. Paint covering thier lense forces them off the field where you can deal with them easier (because you're not in the middle of a paintball game.)
98% of the time my size and voice is enough to get them off the field, but occasionally you need a little more. Also, people think twice about shooting you "on accident" when you have something to shoot back with.
...I also switch back and forth from Player to Ref, and once I get my holster set, I don't like taking it off
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