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#1 User is offline   rightintheface 

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Posted 26 August 2007 - 04:08 PM

To give you a bit of background, I have a history of training and competing in mixed martial arts. To those who don't know, it's a martial arts competition that incorporates boxing/kickboxing/wrestling/submissions. I only mention this because as a noob, I obviously don't have a ton of hands-on experience in tactics and such. However, when my team meets prior to the start of the game, they've been asking me more and more what might be a good strategy. Essentially, instead of thinking of team members as "daggers" or "broadswords" I'm likening them to their counterparts in MMA, where I have more experience. For example: I liken a good dagger to your jab; it's quick, it can do damage in the right situation, but that isn't always its main role. It "paws" at the opposition, detecting weak points and setting up for the heavy shots. Makes sense when you say it that way, no? Also, a tactical example: today, we had a couple guys on the opposition that were EXCELLENT defensively. We spent a couple games getting cut to pieces, and finally I just said "what if we made them play aggressively?" In my experience, if you make a defensive fighter attack, he's out of his comfort zone and more prone to mistakes. Sure enough, these guys weren't very quick or smart about movement, and we took THEM apart the next game.

I guess my question is, how far does this type of analogy go? What do you see as the problems in such a mindset? Obviously, as time goes on I'll be able to think more and more like a paintballer and less like a fighter holding a paintball gun, but for now it seems to be working.

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Posted 26 August 2007 - 09:17 PM

I coached high school football. I have often used football for examples on this forum and with my team. My best dagger has been envolved with martial art as have I, and your analagies make sence. But makes more sence is that it makes sence to you and to your team. Anything that improves your understanding of the game is valuable. If you can teach someone about a flanking manuver as a (vulgar term about a female dog) slap, like when Courtny did something mean to Barbie so be it. (I admit that was a little out there but the point is real.) Use what helps you and your team.



(P.S. rightintheface if your into MMA tell me what my hometown means to you.)
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Posted 27 August 2007 - 03:22 AM

View Postprophet_subgenius, on Aug 26 2007, 09:17 PM, said:

I coached high school football. I have often used football for examples on this forum and with my team. My best dagger has been envolved with martial art as have I, and your analagies make sence. But makes more sence is that it makes sence to you and to your team. Anything that improves your understanding of the game is valuable. If you can teach someone about a flanking manuver as a (vulgar term about a female dog) slap, like when Courtny did something mean to Barbie so be it. (I admit that was a little out there but the point is real.) Use what helps you and your team.



(P.S. rightintheface if your into MMA tell me what my hometown means to you.)

The Shamrock boys live there. Nice bit of trivia. Do you ever see them around?
My bit of trivia is easier. Before moving to Baltimore, I lived in Davenport, IA.
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Posted 27 August 2007 - 05:21 AM

When i was new i would to the same but using hockey.This type of mindset can work good but u have to find something to match everything up with, some stuf just doesnt match(mainly cause there to way different sports).This works especially well when other people on ur team also play the sport ur analagies make more sense.I find this a very effective way of teaching new players tactics and teamwork.I dont do it as much now cause we no more about paintball now and it isnt as necissary.
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Posted 27 August 2007 - 08:32 AM

If the analogy helps you, great.

Just don't expect others unfamiliar with MMA to understand it on the field. That'll probably be the biggest problem (the other problem has been mentioned, and that's when some things won't have a direct translation).

It works for now, but I'd suggest over time learning how to strategize without the need of an analogy. Learn your game style as well as your team members' styles, and properly apply them. Let them grow and evolve as players as you grow and evolve in leadership ability on the field.

Lastly, from personal experience, always be ready to improvise fast. A lot of bad things can happen without warning out on the field, be ready to adapt on a second's notice. Think outside the box (note: keep your "outside the box" thinking to within the rules of the game and field, obviously) and don't be afraid to try something new.
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Posted 27 August 2007 - 09:29 AM

View Postrightintheface, on Aug 27 2007, 03:22 AM, said:

View Postprophet_subgenius, on Aug 26 2007, 09:17 PM, said:

I coached high school football. I have often used football for examples on this forum and with my team. My best dagger has been envolved with martial art as have I, and your analagies make sence. But makes more sence is that it makes sence to you and to your team. Anything that improves your understanding of the game is valuable. If you can teach someone about a flanking manuver as a (vulgar term about a female dog) slap, like when Courtny did something mean to Barbie so be it. (I admit that was a little out there but the point is real.) Use what helps you and your team.



(P.S. rightintheface if your into MMA tell me what my hometown means to you.)

The Shamrock boys live there. Nice bit of trivia. Do you ever see them around?
My bit of trivia is easier. Before moving to Baltimore, I lived in Davenport, IA.


Ken at age 20 was my Little League coach. His dad up until recently owned an unmistakeable pink Cadillac. The Lions Den recruits fight regularly at the local Indian Casino, were Ken hob nobs after the event. The other note as I sat between them at the casino one night is that Ken does not get along with the regions other celeb....Chuck. I'd rather be caught between two Hammer Teams than be sitting between those two when it all goes south.


Now back to topic. The others are right. Make sure your analogies work for your intended audience and that you can cover every situation. The one problem I have with a Dagger equivelent to the jab is a Dagger to the heart is fatal, my experience your oponent has to lean into a jab for it to be fatal.
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Posted 28 August 2007 - 03:21 AM

Something I think MMA teaches you is being able to improvise fast. "Hey, I've just been picked up into the air, and I'm hurtling toward the ground. New game plan!" :)
All good advice. To clarify, the MMA analogy is only how I think about things, not how I explain them. I agree with you that if someone didn't have the same understanding I did, that would be a difficult analogy to use. Thanks for the input though.
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