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Posted 20 November 2007 - 02:02 PM

View PostMarauder_Pilot, on Nov 20 2007, 07:11 AM, said:

The FASOR is just a simplified poppet, it just has a spring and a 3-way solenoid instead of a 4-way solenoid. It's a decent design, and great for the price, but the poppet would be capable of a higher top speed (But both would be hitting the upper end of hopper speed, so it doesn't really matter that much.)

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 02:05 PM

I have always wondered how slider valve works. ICD Freestyles use slider valve.
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Posted 20 November 2007 - 02:07 PM

View Postcommander mike, on Nov 20 2007, 01:05 PM, said:

I have always wondered how slider valve works. ICD Freestyles use slider valve.

it explained in the first post
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Posted 21 November 2007 - 04:07 PM

You could probably squeeze 28 out of it if you wanted. Not saying it's a slow design, both can push hoppers to the limit, and even outrun them if you tweak them well, so they're effectively just as fast.
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Posted 21 November 2007 - 08:10 PM

View PostMarauder_Pilot, on Nov 21 2007, 03:07 PM, said:

You could probably squeeze 28 out of it if you wanted. Not saying it's a slow design, both can push hoppers to the limit, and even outrun them if you tweak them well, so they're effectively just as fast.

yeah but i put it on rampage 25bpa that why and i dont want to broke my marker by tweaking it
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Posted 05 January 2008 - 08:21 PM

So would this mean that a Tippmann SL-68 II is sheridan based?

(Im just a little bit confuzed)
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Posted 05 January 2008 - 09:46 PM

No. It is a nelson clone
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Posted 27 January 2008 - 11:49 PM

good post, i like learning how these things work. although, the good ol' nelson pump one is the only one i really understand :wub:
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Posted 28 January 2008 - 12:56 AM

View Postcommander mike, on Nov 20 2007, 01:05 PM, said:

I have always wondered how slider valve works. ICD Freestyles use slider valve.

Slider valves are very similar to the old ICD desert fox. Basically an automag that doesn't have a dump chamber, so the airflow is NOT cut off during the firing cycle
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Posted 01 April 2008 - 06:22 PM

nice job. i like the mini mushroom explosion in the c-3. now i kno why its a pump though. too hot inside.
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Posted 13 April 2008 - 01:41 PM

Updated some history about blowbacks. Apparently, the SMG-60 does predate Camille, making it the first non-pump marker. However, it's F/A only, and not gravity fed, so Camille is still the grandmother of most modern markers. Also, I found that the 68 Special, not the VM-68 was the first blowback, and that the VM-68 was predated by the original Promaster, which was introduced 2 years earlier.
So, first non-pump: Tippmann SMG-60
First gravity-fed semi: Camille
First STBB: Line SI (Not ICD!) Promaster
First ILBB: Tippmann 68 Special.

Also, fun note: The SMG-60 came out in 1987. That makes it 21 years old. The 68 Special is 19. Both are still, internally, almost totally identical to any modern Tippmann. They really need to change it up a little.
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Posted 28 April 2008 - 04:34 PM

View PostMarauder_Pilot, on Apr 13 2008, 01:41 PM, said:

Updated some history about blowbacks. Apparently, the SMG-60 does predate Camille, making it the first non-pump marker. However, it's F/A only, and not gravity fed, so Camille is still the grandmother of most modern markers. Also, I found that the 68 Special, not the VM-68 was the first blowback, and that the VM-68 was predated by the original Promaster, which was introduced 2 years earlier.
So, first non-pump: Tippmann SMG-60
First gravity-fed semi: Camille
First STBB: Line SI (Not ICD!) Promaster
First ILBB: Tippmann 68 Special.

Also, fun note: The SMG-60 came out in 1987. That makes it 21 years old. The 68 Special is 19. Both are still, internally, almost totally identical to any modern Tippmann. They really need to change it up a little.

It's debated whether AGD had a working prototype of a gravity fed semi auto before Glenn got Camille working properly... Either way they were both around the same time in 1990
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Posted 28 April 2008 - 07:10 PM

View Postaqua_scummm, on Jan 28 2008, 03:56 AM, said:

View Postcommander mike, on Nov 20 2007, 01:05 PM, said:

I have always wondered how slider valve works. ICD Freestyles use slider valve.

Slider valves are very similar to the old ICD desert fox. Basically an automag that doesn't have a dump chamber, so the airflow is NOT cut off during the firing cycle


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Posted 28 April 2008 - 07:53 PM

View Postaqua_scummm, on Apr 28 2008, 04:34 PM, said:

View PostMarauder_Pilot, on Apr 13 2008, 01:41 PM, said:

Updated some history about blowbacks. Apparently, the SMG-60 does predate Camille, making it the first non-pump marker. However, it's F/A only, and not gravity fed, so Camille is still the grandmother of most modern markers. Also, I found that the 68 Special, not the VM-68 was the first blowback, and that the VM-68 was predated by the original Promaster, which was introduced 2 years earlier.
So, first non-pump: Tippmann SMG-60
First gravity-fed semi: Camille
First STBB: Line SI (Not ICD!) Promaster
First ILBB: Tippmann 68 Special.

Also, fun note: The SMG-60 came out in 1987. That makes it 21 years old. The 68 Special is 19. Both are still, internally, almost totally identical to any modern Tippmann. They really need to change it up a little.

It's debated whether AGD had a working prototype of a gravity fed semi auto before Glenn got Camille working properly... Either way they were both around the same time in 1990

There's also rumours that Tippmann had an SMG-68 prototype around then, although most people never claim to have seen it. But, either way, Camille is universally regarded as the concrete first working production model, so I'm gonna stick with that.
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Posted 29 April 2008 - 12:47 AM

View PostZ3R0, on Apr 28 2008, 07:10 PM, said:

View Postaqua_scummm, on Jan 28 2008, 03:56 AM, said:

View Postcommander mike, on Nov 20 2007, 01:05 PM, said:

I have always wondered how slider valve works. ICD Freestyles use slider valve.

Slider valves are very similar to the old ICD desert fox. Basically an automag that doesn't have a dump chamber, so the airflow is NOT cut off during the firing cycle


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The bolt is blown forward in the same way, and the spring pushes it back the same way. The regulator is restrictive enough that the strong bolt spring is able to overcome the wimpy amount of air flowing out of the reg, into the dump chamber, and through the powertube. It's like blowing through a straw, if it's all sealed up you can build the pressure to do something big, but once you release built up pressure, good luck continuing to do anything cool.

Unlike a mag sear which is directly actuated by the trigger, the fox sear is like a blowbacks where you pull it, it releases, then automatically resets SUPER FAST (so a blowback's hammer doesn't bounce and fart). Because the sear resets fast, as soon as the bolt is done firing and resets backwards, the sear is ready to hold it.


Very good diagrams here http://www.cognitive...tweaks_reg.html




Freestyles worked on the same idea




edit: I realize in the first post I said they don't have a dump chamber and in this one I referred to one. They don't have one in the classic automag sense that it's a completely seal-able measured volume of air, like on a "high efficiency" matrix bolt or the like. They do have an enlarged area behind the powertube though

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