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A noncombatant role... The Combat Photographer Rate Topic: -----

Poll: Should the Combat Photgrapher be a position? (59 member(s) have cast votes)

Yeah or Nay, what dso you think and why?

  1. Yeah? (34 votes [57.63%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.63%

  2. Nay? (25 votes [42.37%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.37%

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#16 User is offline   Knightwolf16 

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Posted 20 August 2008 - 03:32 PM

View PostMaDuce, on Aug 16 2008, 02:14 AM, said:

View PostKnightwolf16, on Aug 13 2008, 05:49 PM, said:

View PostWrzesinski, on Aug 13 2008, 12:06 AM, said:

why would that be a position? it serves NO tactical role whatsoever...play a normal position and bring your camera...

No tactical role???.......hello digital camera..........what world do you live in? We're talking a very quick intel turn around if you want to apply it.............

Also the backwords flag........so not cool


So you're spying? I thought this was just to take some cool action shots for your own personal collection or to share with other paintballers. If you're taking some snapshots to provide intel for your team, you and your camera deserve to be lit up.

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The "backwards flag" is also placed that way on U.S. military uniforms. On the other side, the flag is facing forwards. If the patch was not backwards, it would look like the Stars and Stripes were retreating, when seen on the right shoulder.

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"The full-color U.S. flag cloth replica is worn so that the star field faces forward, or to the flag’s own right. When worn in this manner, the flag is facing to the observer’s right, and gives the effect of the flag flying in the breeze as the wearer moves forward."

No body deserves to be lit up unless they are wiping or blatently cheaing.
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Posted 20 August 2008 - 10:27 PM

View PostKnightwolf16, on Aug 20 2008, 03:32 PM, said:

View PostMaDuce, on Aug 16 2008, 02:14 AM, said:

View PostKnightwolf16, on Aug 13 2008, 05:49 PM, said:

View PostWrzesinski, on Aug 13 2008, 12:06 AM, said:

why would that be a position? it serves NO tactical role whatsoever...play a normal position and bring your camera...

No tactical role???.......hello digital camera..........what world do you live in? We're talking a very quick intel turn around if you want to apply it.............

Also the backwords flag........so not cool


So you're spying? I thought this was just to take some cool action shots for your own personal collection or to share with other paintballers. If you're taking some snapshots to provide intel for your team, you and your camera deserve to be lit up.


No body deserves to be lit up unless they are wiping or blatently cheaing.


Hmmm. Maybe you're right, you shouldn't get lit up. However, the 'spy' role could very well considered cheating on some fields.
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Posted 21 August 2008 - 09:42 PM

I think it would be a great idea for your friend who doesn't want to play but wants to watch. Only problem is that with a squad he would probably give away positions, especially if he is immume to fire,(orange vest). Not really a player type of position, but would add a new perspective for teams, raise awareness of paintball on the global stage, and probably be really cool to have a documentary style film based off a 24hr game.
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Posted 21 August 2008 - 09:50 PM

View PostMaDuce, on Aug 15 2008, 10:14 PM, said:

View PostKnightwolf16, on Aug 13 2008, 05:49 PM, said:

View PostWrzesinski, on Aug 13 2008, 12:06 AM, said:

why would that be a position? it serves NO tactical role whatsoever...play a normal position and bring your camera...

No tactical role???.......hello digital camera..........what world do you live in? We're talking a very quick intel turn around if you want to apply it.............

Also the backwords flag........so not cool


So you're spying? I thought this was just to take some cool action shots for your own personal collection or to share with other paintballers. If you're taking some snapshots to provide intel for your team, you and your camera deserve to be lit up.

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The "backwards flag" is also placed that way on U.S. military uniforms. On the other side, the flag is facing forwards. If the patch was not backwards, it would look like the Stars and Stripes were retreating, when seen on the right shoulder.

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"The full-color U.S. flag cloth replica is worn so that the star field faces forward, or to the flag’s own right. When worn in this manner, the flag is facing to the observer’s right, and gives the effect of the flag flying in the breeze as the wearer moves forward."


The way the flag is on the uniform is simple. The US flag is positioned with the stars towards the heart, this is the way it has been. nothing about retreating flags.
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Posted 22 August 2008 - 08:05 PM

View PostKnight Hiro, on Aug 21 2008, 09:42 PM, said:

I think it would be a great idea for your friend who doesn't want to play but wants to watch. Only problem is that with a squad he would probably give away positions, especially if he is immume to fire,(orange vest). Not really a player type of position, but would add a new perspective for teams, raise awareness of paintball on the global stage, and probably be really cool to have a documentary style film based off a 24hr game.


Right, but note that he isn't playing for either team, secretly or otherwise.

View PostKnight Hiro, on Aug 21 2008, 09:50 PM, said:

View PostMaDuce, on Aug 15 2008, 10:14 PM, said:

View PostKnightwolf16, on Aug 13 2008, 05:49 PM, said:

View PostWrzesinski, on Aug 13 2008, 12:06 AM, said:

why would that be a position? it serves NO tactical role whatsoever...play a normal position and bring your camera...

No tactical role???.......hello digital camera..........what world do you live in? We're talking a very quick intel turn around if you want to apply it.............

Also the backwords flag........so not cool


So you're spying? I thought this was just to take some cool action shots for your own personal collection or to share with other paintballers. If you're taking some snapshots to provide intel for your team, you and your camera deserve to be lit up.

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The "backwards flag" is also placed that way on U.S. military uniforms. On the other side, the flag is facing forwards. If the patch was not backwards, it would look like the Stars and Stripes were retreating, when seen on the right shoulder.

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"The full-color U.S. flag cloth replica is worn so that the star field faces forward, or to the flag’s own right. When worn in this manner, the flag is facing to the observer’s right, and gives the effect of the flag flying in the breeze as the wearer moves forward."


The way the flag is on the uniform is simple. The US flag is positioned with the stars towards the heart, this is the way it has been. nothing about retreating flags.


Really? My expaination was told to me by an army sergant. This is the first I've heard of your explaination. I'm not saying it's wrong, though. Both explainations could be correct.
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Posted 22 August 2008 - 09:02 PM

while i frown upon it being a player position, and you cannot be both at the same time, i think our sport on the w hole could use photographers. Bright orange vest, only pop up when there's a firefight so that you don't give away positions
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 06:27 AM

During a game, I was actually getting a little concerned about the flash from the camera giving our position away, especially considering that we were deep behind the OPFOR's reinsertion point.
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Posted 27 August 2008 - 01:20 PM

i voted yes...simply because i am the player Knightwolf is talking about. I had a blast! it made me view the game from a different perspective along with being able to promote my team and the sport itself. Miraculously I didn't get hit once. This could have been luck or it could have been simply cause I wore a bright yellow tank top. But I do think that this could be a NC position. (non combat) in this sense to make the general public realize that what we do isnt dressing up in cammies with paintball guns that look unbelievably real these days jsut to make believe we are in the service or whatever the public thinks, and make them realize its a tough and grueling sport that pushes your body and brain to the limits. I know for a fact my friends Mom hated the idea of him going out in the woods to get hit with some hard ball. A year later she praises him, simply cause he's doing something he loves and he's getting a workout as well. No one outside of the sport understands us and to have someone who will try and capture teh sport by taking pics...I think will help people understand us.

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Posted 13 September 2008 - 07:34 PM

i cant see this as being a proper position.
sure you get experience with a camera but you arent actually playing are you?
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Posted 02 October 2008 - 03:03 AM

The way I see it:

If you bring your camera with you onto the field as a player, you should act and be treated as a player. Shoot all you want (camera or otherwise) and expect to be shot at. When you are hit, you should promptly call yourself out, put your barrel cover on, and make your way off the field, and do whatever else just as a normal player would. If you can manage to take pictures while doing that, more power to you. I don't feel that it is right to "hang around" after being eliminated, even though you have a camera in your hand and may be identifying yourself as a "dead player". In my opinion it taints the game. Besides, if you are actually playing, why not take the time to get ready for your next run? Leave the camera duties to somebody else. We all know you want a picture of yourself playing, and it's kinda hard to do that when you're the one holding the camera.

If you choose to take photos as a non-player, then you should be wearing the bright orange or bright yellow "ref" colors. It will decrease the likelihood of you being shot at and shot, but the possibility is definitely still there. While you're wearing the "ref" colors, why not play ref? That's what I do. When I'm not in the thick of it taking those awesome action shots, I'm in the thick of it paint-checking and performing other ref-ly duties. But, I can do that because my camera is fairly small and can fit into my pocket when not in use. Of course if you have a big, honking, monstrosity of a camera I don't recommend running around with it like I would with my pocket-sized camera.

Anyways, whenever I'm playing photographer I just put it down as "ref" when I log it in, because that's essentially what I'm doing.
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Posted 27 November 2008 - 06:38 PM

how would you have combat photographer would he steal peoples souls with it? its not practical i agree photographers should be noncombatant.
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Post icon  Posted 28 November 2008 - 07:51 PM

As a Specops position, I'm undecided. I have heard arguments for both sides and they both make sense.

As for not being a player when photographing, I've seen scenario missions that require photos of the enemy base, so it could be a playable position in certain situations.

As for spying, I guess thats up to the rules of the game. If the rules allow it, then it's fair. If not, then it's cheating.

As for backwards flag, I have it on good authority (3 soldiers, a Commanding Major, a Sergent 1st Class, and a Specialist) that the flag is "backwards" on the right shoulder so as to look like a "flag in the breeze" when the wearer is moving forward. Not necessarily to prevent the image of retreat, but that idea comes with the territory.

Here's the official word:

Army Regulation 670-1, Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia, is the governing authority for the wear of Army uniforms. Paragraph 28-18 governs the wear of the United States Flag on Army Uniforms.

"When approved for wear, the full-color U.S. flag cloth replica is sewn 1/2 inch below the right shoulder seam of the temperate, hot-weather, enhanced hot-weather, and desert BDU; the BDU field jacket; and the cold-weather uniform. The flag is worn on the right shoulder, because, in the military, the "place of honor" is to a military member's right.

The full-color U.S. flag cloth replica is worn so that the star field faces forward, or to the flag’s own right. When worn in this manner, the flag is facing to the observer’s right, and gives the effect of the flag flying in the breeze as the wearer moves forward.

The rule dates back to the Army's early history, when both mounted cavalry and infantry units would designate a standard bearer, who carried the Colors into battle. As he charged, his forward momentum caused the flag to stream back. Since the Stars and Stripes are mounted with the canton closest to the pole, that section stayed to the right, while the stripes flew to the left."

Earlier in the document is also states that any other colors than red, white, and blue (such as subdued) are against the U.S. Code and not authorized for wear, but I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) this is for the military, not a "law" so I think we are ok to wear subdued flags.

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Posted 30 November 2008 - 03:24 PM

I love the idea! It's Great. I wish I could find someone to do that tho. Ha
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Posted 04 January 2009 - 01:01 PM

I have played the role of camera man a million times. I actually think its kinda cool because you can just walk around freely on the field takin pictures at watchin people do their thing. plus everyone tends to do crazy and brave stuff when a camera is pointin at them.

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Posted 22 September 2009 - 12:30 PM

Why cant they just make protection for the camera, like a plexy-glass encasement for the lens and the screen and sight... with 2 holes on the sides so you can put your hand in it and handle it, made of military gtrade plastic for protection... Simple
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