Jack the Ripper, on 20 June 2011 - 06:31 PM, said:
I wans't talking about the case and charge, but rather the actual round itself. A bullet is the lead/copper part, a case is the brass( most of the time)and usually that also covers the charge, and round is the whole assemble.
Nice try, but I'm not buying it.
Jack the Ripper, on 19 June 2011 - 10:31 PM, said:
A .38 and 9mm are virtually identical though.
A ".38" or a "9mm" is not
a valid "bullet" description, but rather a cartridge description (specifically, the .38 special or the 9mm Luger aka 9mm Parabellum).
Jack the Ripper, on 20 June 2011 - 06:38 PM, said:
TO sum it all up without much arguing, a .22/5.56 is a varmint round. It only leaves a 1/4" hole in a target. I want take down power with one shot. And yuo'll have to stock up on .22/5.56 rounds for the zombyecalypse cause it takes a ton of ammo to kill one( just ask out troops)
Are we shooting at hostile survivors or at zeds? Against the undead, the only reliable shutdown is electrical, which PW already covered. Anything in the right spot will do this.
Against hostile survivors? The 5.56 will work fine, and can theoretically contribute to any of the 5 "fight stoppers."
If you're looking for "he fell over and never got up no matter what", well, you'll need to get into the realm of the ridiculous to achieve it, and have so many disadvantages that it negates your single advantage.
You're not going to have, even with one of your .30 type rifles (.308, .30-06, .300 Win Mag, etc), a "instant fall over dead" shot, unless you have succeeded in stopping them electrically.
Am I saying a 5.56 is just as good at everything as a .308 is? Absolutely not. But you are completely misjudging the capabilities of smaller caliber weaponry.
If I only got one long gun to survive a short term disaster (talking realistic events like tornados, hurricanes, earthquakes, etc), if my choices were a 5.56 carbine (such as an AR-15) or a .300 Win mag rifle, I would pick the 5.56 carbine 10 times out of 10. It offers more advantages for the situation than the .300 Win mag does.
PistolWhipped, on 20 June 2011 - 09:15 PM, said:
And rep for you sir.
Jack the Ripper, on 20 June 2011 - 09:35 PM, said:
Bullet placement is always paramount, but now every shot is taken in perfect conditions.
Which is why I want volume to be shot rather than raw power.
I'd rather boost my odds of a good hit with 2-3 rounds of 5.56 or 7.62x39 than a single shot of one of your ".300s" you keep talking about (btw, do you mean .300 Win mag, .300 Whisper, .300 Weatherby mag, which?)
One shot at a time is foolish except for an ideal (or somewhat close to it) conditions shot. But, in the real combat world when you have to be shooting on the move? Forget it.
I have done years of study on .22, .223, 5.56 and just about every ammo type out there. That is why I haven't bought a gun yet, I'm still doing research.
For all your claimed research, you certainly missed a lot about it. Folks like PW and I haven't spent years "researching" the Internet like you; we've actually been out there shooting stuff for years with a range of calibers. Our information is backed by both practical experts and by our own practical experience, not exclusively a theoretical figure from a guy with a calculator attempting to guesstimate.
I got the .270 as a gift, and it dosent stop pleasing so far. I'm looking into the best of all worlds, travel( distance), ftlb energy on target, penetration and availability of ammo. And I'm just not seeing it in the .22 family ( includes 5.56 cause it IS a .22, more accurate its a 0.218897638).
1. The .270 Winchester cartridge is capable of bagging nearly anything on the North American continent, and even a fair amount of African game if done correctly. If it's not pleasing to you, consider the other factors because it is not
2. You're really, really, really
missing the point, because you keep on coming back to the diameter of a .22 bullet. This argument of "but it's a .22" regardless of cartridge (.22 LR, .223, or 5.56) proves you don't get it.
3. No manufacturer anywhere measures their bullets to that far a significant figure. All of them stop at 3-4 significant figures. I don't know where you are getting this information, but it is full of 100% crap.
Oh, and it's actually .224" by significant figures
This post has been edited by Thalion: 20 June 2011 - 07:52 PM