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Posted 20 September 2009 - 07:08 AM

I just bought a Phantom and it's sick. It's my first pump and I haven't the slightest clue to how it works. Anyways, are you supposed to be able to dry fire them without a 12g? Like cock it and pull the trigger and have it click? Because mine doesn't do that. is that normal?
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Posted 20 September 2009 - 07:20 AM

it really depends. ive done it before, and ive had it not happen before. i think it has to do with if you pump it a ton of times, air pressure will build up.
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Posted 20 September 2009 - 08:55 AM

Nelsons wont cock without air running most of the time. IIRC most wont cock at all without air in them.
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Posted 20 September 2009 - 10:59 AM

View PostOverkillforeva, on Sep 20 2009, 10:55 AM, said:

Nelsons wont cock without air running most of the time. IIRC most wont cock at all without air in them.


This.

If your phantom is tuned conservatively (read: you haven't messed with springs, powertubes or hammers) you shouldn't be able to cock it without air. When you pump back, the mainspring overpowers the valve spring, not allowing the hammer to get close enough to the bolt to latch on.
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Posted 20 September 2009 - 11:32 AM

No, you can't cock the phantom and fire it without a 12 gram in it. It's not like a tippmann maker where you can cock the marker and shoot it to get the noise.
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Posted 20 September 2009 - 11:56 AM

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Posted 25 September 2009 - 08:16 PM

Ok, since we're on the topic of cocking phantoms when they have no air...

For some reason, I can pump and pull the trigger on mine, even without any CO2. Is this a big problem?
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Posted 25 September 2009 - 08:48 PM

View PostUrban Ninja, on Sep 25 2009, 11:16 PM, said:

Ok, since we're on the topic of cocking phantoms when they have no air...

For some reason, I can pump and pull the trigger on mine, even without any CO2. Is this a big problem?


Maybe you have a weak main spring? Or you have a very strong Valve spring?
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Posted 26 September 2009 - 07:18 PM

View PostFlorentine, on Sep 25 2009, 11:48 PM, said:

View PostUrban Ninja, on Sep 25 2009, 11:16 PM, said:

Ok, since we're on the topic of cocking phantoms when they have no air...

For some reason, I can pump and pull the trigger on mine, even without any CO2. Is this a big problem?


Maybe you have a weak main spring? Or you have a very strong Valve spring?

pretty much. It is sprung funny. Nelsons by default shouldn't cock without air. It isn't a problem if you can. But your springing is funny, so check what you are getting for air efficiency, it might be out of whack...or you might be having to turn your Velocity Adjuster/TPC in more to fight the stonger valve spring/weaker hammer spring, whereas if you had a normal spring job, you'd barely have to turn your TPC in.

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Posted 30 September 2009 - 12:27 AM

If you have a nelson marker cocking dry with proper velocity,your on the right track to the peak of efficiency or your main spring is tired, but you would see a velocity drop if that was the case. The ideal spring combo for efficiency is the lightest main spring and heviest valve spring you can get away with to get the desired velocity.

I've run the majority of my nelsons this way for over 20 years now,the set up that most nelson freaks have settled on for performance is lapco 34g hammer,lapco #6 powertube,red valve,yellow main oe equivelent. in most setups depending on sear/spring strength this will cock with no air,this combo can be easily adapted to any modern phantom,by purchasing a lapco #6 powertube and cutting it to phantom length or honing a stock phantom powertube wich is a 4 to a 6 wich redux factory can do,shaving/milling/drilling a stock phantom hammer to 34g, with the proper springs your well over 40 shots a 12g.


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