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#1 User is offline   Jellyfish 

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 07:46 AM

I'm new to the world of paintball, but not Sniping. I served for 8 years in the U.S. Marine Coprs, 7 of which as a sniper, 4 of which as a sniper team leader, to include 3 tours in Iraq. I'm starting this thread to see if there are any other former or active military snipers out there who have tips and advice for conforming to paintball snipers. We wont need to discuss basics of stalking, shooting, etc. This is for experienced snipers looking for applications of known tactics and techniques in regards to paintball. If there are any real (non-military) veteran paintball snipers out there, i'd love to hear some of your more advanced techniques, etc. Again, I didn't start this thread for someone looking to become a sniper. Lets keep this as an advanced thread only.

Also, if there are any military snipers in the Houston area, let me know!

Oh, and for all you guys claiming to be military snipers, I'll know if you're lieing!!
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 08:07 AM

First off welcome to the forums! Though I am not a millitary sniper, I have played some paintball games in a sort of sniperish role. In my opinion alot of stuff that real life snipers can do is not really good in a game of paintball. I am sure that your skills in stalking, and camoflague will help you. However you might find that long range shooting, and single shot shooting isnt as reliable in paintball. Most paintball guns arent very accurate at long ranges. Even with tons of upgrades to improve accuracy 1 shot 1 kill just isnt really reliable. I would also caution you against wearing full ghille suits, they are just too heavy and too clumbersome to use in a game of paintball. Paintball games require alot of movement, and you will be able to help your team more if you are able to move with them....not just sitting in one place watching and waiting for players to come along. Anyways, I am sorry if this advice seems "newbish" to you, but I'm just trying to help.

I think that the perfect paintball sniper is the "shadow." The shadow was a position created by a member of the forums by the name of gamer. The shadow is supposed to be a mobile sniper. Anyways I would suggest reading some of his posts:

Confessions of a paintball Sniper
Shadow Ghille
Sniper gear challenge
Problems with paintball sniping

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 08:42 AM

View PostBlitzen, on Jul 20 2008, 10:07 AM, said:

First off welcome to the forums! Though I am not a millitary sniper, I have played some paintball games in a sort of sniperish role. In my opinion alot of stuff that real life snipers can do is not really good in a game of paintball. I am sure that your skills in stalking, and camoflague will help you. However you might find that long range shooting, and single shot shooting isnt as reliable in paintball. Most paintball guns arent very accurate at long ranges. Even with tons of upgrades to improve accuracy 1 shot 1 kill just isnt really reliable. I would also caution you against wearing full ghille suits, they are just too heavy and too clumbersome to use in a game of paintball. Paintball games require alot of movement, and you will be able to help your team more if you are able to move with them....not just sitting in one place watching and waiting for players to come along. Anyways, I am sorry if this advice seems "newbish" to you, but I'm just trying to help.

I think that the perfect paintball sniper is the "shadow." The shadow was a position created by a member of the forums by the name of gamer. The shadow is supposed to be a mobile sniper. Anyways I would suggest reading some of his posts:

Confessions of a paintball Sniper
Shadow Ghille
Sniper gear challenge
Problems with paintball sniping

Welcome to the forums :laugh:


Newbish?! Man, if there's a noob/boot around here it's ME!!! Believe me, I've been reading as many forums as I can to learn what I can. You guys have some great information in these forums, take it from a pro! I know there are different tactics between PB and Mil snipers. That's the entire reason I started this thread. This is more of a "what a mil sniper should NOT do" type thread. I addressed it to military snipers, because they are the only ones who really know what we do, and do not do, in the field. they know how we operate, etc and can hopefully address any major differences between the two, that are unknown to straight PB snipers. I appreciate your help, and I have read the "shadow" threads, etc. I know the long shot is out of question due to limits on the markers. As any mil sniper should know, right off the bat.

I guess I should post some basic questions to address what I'm looking for in this thread.

Bullet proof bushes?! I know in the real world, a bush is not going to stop a round. In paintball it will. Is it bad form to hid behind a bush? Or is it normal practice?

Does anyone operate in two man sniper teams? Cross lanes of fire? Early warning devices? Etc?

How are mil-snipers deploying themselves in the field in regards to short and long games/scenarios?

How good are the PB snipers vs Miil snipers at stalking and detecting snipers?

Essentially what types of things does a military sniper need to keep in mind or learn...aside from the long shot theory (we all know there is no "long shot" in Paintball)

Thanks for your feedback by the way Blitzen! and again...if there's a noob around here it's ME!
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 10:06 AM

Did not serve.

I can tell you after sifting through publicly made available sniper manuals that bar none, prepare for a lot closer ranges to engage identified and verified targets.

Concealment is key. everything I have to do is based on my ability to be concealed and my commander loves me out on recon with a automatic back-up somewhere around me for scouting enemy location and numbers.


Normally I'd talk in laymans terms but being around the military world I figure you could understand better than most.

I'd carry a Semi-auto closed bolt operating marker (Like an Autococker by WGP) for accuracy and precision. it's as close to a bolt action you can get without sacrificing force multiplication usage.

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 10:16 AM

Well to address some of your questions here:

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I guess I should post some basic questions to address what I'm looking for in this thread.

Bullet proof bushes?! I know in the real world, a bush is not going to stop a round. In paintball it will. Is it bad form to hid behind a bush? Or is it normal practice?

Does anyone operate in two man sniper teams? Cross lanes of fire? Early warning devices? Etc?

How are mil-snipers deploying themselves in the field in regards to short and long games/scenarios?

How good are the PB snipers vs Miil snipers at stalking and detecting snipers?

Essentially what types of things does a military sniper need to keep in mind or learn...aside from the long shot theory (we all know there is no "long shot" in Paintball)


Bullet proof bushes? Well sorta...Lots of times paintballs wont be able to find their way through thick brush. Thus brush, tall grass, etc provide cover from paintballs, but wouldnt provide cover vs real life ammunition.

Two man sniper teams? Not usually. If you are going to be a sniper expect to be by yourself. However organized teams might work in two man sniper teams.

I dont know about long game/scenario sniping as I play shorter games. However I think that scenario games would be better for a sniper as it provides more time to move foward and in many scenarios there are leaders/captains that when killed put the enemy team at a disadvantage. Taking out these players is a worthwhile goal/use of a sniper

Stalking/detecting snipers? Well just depends on your patience really. Stalking for me is just crawling and moving stealthly to get a good angle on an opposing player. Some are really good at it, some arent. As far as detecting other snipers---it mainly comes down to luck. Once again paintballs arent super accurate so snipers have to get closer, or you gotta walk right on top of them.
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 11:51 AM

Ok, so far what I'm learnig is this much. Forget the gun, just needs to primarily be quiet and manueverable, and relatively accurate, but mostly quiet. As for the rest it's speed stalking and tactics. That seems to sum up most of what everyone is writing in the forums.

The question about the bullet proof bush was meant to find out if that is a legitimate tactic and just a part of the game, or considered lame? When I'm stalking %90 of the time I'll take a shot anywhere from 3 to 15 feet from behind a bush (obvisouly can't got that far back in PB), depending on my window, concelement, etc. There is no crawling into the bush or hiding in front of the bush. The bush covers my movement after my shots, as well as doesn't give anyone a clear view of me. So with this being said, in paintball it seems that if I operate this way and shoot through bushes (given a decent window), most likely no return fire will make it through the bush and hit me. is that lame or good tactics?

"Stalking/detecting snipers? Well just depends on your patience really. Stalking for me is just crawling and moving stealthly to get a good angle on an opposing player. Some are really good at it, some arent. As far as detecting other snipers---it mainly comes down to luck. Once again paintballs arent super accurate so snipers have to get closer, or you gotta walk right on top of them."

I was mainly directing the stalking question towards other mil-snipers in hopes to get their take on pb-snipers capabilities. I.E. Would they typically be able to make it through one of our trainning stalks, etc? I ask this question because every picture I see of PB-snipers in their ghillies, etc there is no vegetaion on the ghillie what so ever, some don't even have the capability to attach veg. The videos I've watched show guys standing and kneeling in front of a perfectly good bush rather than behind it, etc. So i'm just trying to find out some more specifics about their stalking abilities, time constraints, etc.

Keep the feed back coming! I appreciate it.
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 12:25 PM

Just to address yor first question, take everything you know about Sniping and throw it out the window, except for stealth and concealment. As for you stealth and concealment, take everything you know and speed it up by a 5 fold. Now your ready for paintball. The two are hadly a comparison. A military sniper in a battle sits back and shoots his enemy before they ever get close enough to shoot/see him. A paintball Sniper here's the word GO and sprints halfway up the field, hide, waits for an opponent to practically walk on him, and then shoot/barrel tags him.

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 01:27 PM

to answer youre "can PB snipers go through the training" i would say HIGHLY unlikely, if it's anything like the Sniper School show that i saw, especially in the part where they have to identify and shoot a target and get out without being spotted, like in Clear and Present Danger, i almost never see a sniper attach vegetation to their suit, most of the time they don't have the time, if you put it on at the beginning i would think that it would fall off while you're sprinting, and after you hit the dirt i don't think you'd have enough time to attach it since there would already be hostiles advancing, but if you are quick enough i could see it happening, PB snipers tend to just cover themselves with foliage rather than attach it from what i've seen, now if you can attach it and have it be a strong enough attachment that it'll stay on through the sprinting then sure go ahead, i just don't know if it would hold
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 01:30 PM

Honestly in Paintball Sniping, ghillie isn't really even needed, if I sit still with BDUs in good cover, with the fast paced nature of paintball nobody will see me, and then you can get behind them easy.
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 01:41 PM

View PostWoodsball Freak, on Jul 20 2008, 03:30 PM, said:

Honestly in Paintball Sniping, ghillie isn't really even needed, if I sit still with BDUs in good cover, with the fast paced nature of paintball nobody will see me, and then you can get behind them easy.


I'm starting to get that feeling. From what I'ver read, just some decent camo, a decent gun, and the ability to dive into a bush and sit still and wait is about all you need. Looks most of what I'm thinking would be geared towards longer scenarios than typical play.

Again, thanks for the feed back everyone! Keep it coming. I know some of this is redundant, and posted on multipe threads. From what I can tell, it seems very similar to our "concealement" excersises. Which are VERY different then stalking. It is exactly what everyone is describing. We have 5 minutes to run, dive in the bush disappear, turn and take our shots. I'll have to keep that in mind...
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 02:31 PM

Yep, at least you get it. Some Paintball Snipers are convinced that they need a ghillie suit and a 5 foot long marker, it just isn't true...
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Posted 20 July 2008 - 02:32 PM

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 02:37 PM

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Posted 20 July 2008 - 02:51 PM

first of all welcome to the forum Jellyfish. I have not served but want to. I have read almost everything made public about military snipers and the art of sniping. Range and penetration are very limited in paintball as well as techniques for covering your six, no claymores and such. Bushes are great cover and concelment. I don't wear full ghillie suits mush beacuse of how heavy and hot they are and since most rounds of a game don't last long enough for you to setup properly in one. I use a ghillie blanket made out of netting on a piece of marpat cloth with jute and burlap as well as vegi tied to it, I find that it works great to set up really fast and it hides me great and I am almost 6ft.


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Posted 20 July 2008 - 03:38 PM

I just wear a Dye Paintball Jersey, they blend nicely (the olive one) and they were specifically made for paintball. I recommend the C7 gear because it's one year old and a lot cheaper.
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