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#1 User is offline   barnz 

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Posted 30 October 2008 - 05:38 PM

Some of you may remember a topic a while back about a gun show with this video: http://www.youtube.c...h?v=4f7wTMnWbqQ
I found out about this "machine gun shoot" through that topic, and because it was local to me I figured I would go this year. I made plans in the early spring to go with some friends and check it out. We, of course, completely forgot about going. Now, I am thankful that I didn't go, or else I may have witnessed this:
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/US/10/27/boy.s...ef=mpstoryemail
For those who don't want to spend the time reading the short article, it is about an 8-year-old kid that went to the aforementioned gun show, and shot an automatic Uzi. The recoil caused the barrel to be propelled upwards, and ended in the child shooting himself in the head. The kid died at the hospital.

So, I just thought I would ask a few questions.

What do you think should have been done to prevent this from happening?

What do you think about gun control?

Massachusetts already has strict laws on gun control. What do you think will happen to the laws already in place, will they get even stricter?
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Posted 30 October 2008 - 05:45 PM

Uhm, perhaps not letting a BOINKing 8 year old child shoot an Uzi? That would have been my first step to prevent this from happening.. Yeah.

Gun control means using both hands, imo.

They shouldn't, but they should probably charge whatever idiot let that child shoot the gun (I am going off of your description of the event, because my work sucks and has CNN blocked)

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Posted 30 October 2008 - 05:49 PM

What the hell where they thinking letting an 8 year old shoot it...
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Posted 30 October 2008 - 05:49 PM

Heres a more informative article, hope it works better.
http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/200...egory=Westfield

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Posted 30 October 2008 - 05:51 PM

whoever gave the kid the Uzi should go to jail..or be permenatly taken out of the gene pool...
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Posted 30 October 2008 - 05:53 PM

Friggin' IDIOTS!!! I swear, the internet makes me slowly lose hope for humanity.
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Posted 30 October 2008 - 05:57 PM

View PostPistolWhipped, on Oct 30 2008, 06:53 PM, said:

Friggin' IDIOTS!!! I swear, the internet makes me slowly lose hope for humanity.


You still have hope for humanity? Hell, I can't remember the last time I had hope.... I was probably about six years old... That's when I realized... Realized we're all BOINKed.

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Posted 30 October 2008 - 05:58 PM

this happened in my hometown(my uncle was the responding officer) . I've been to that machine gun shoot before, and safety was excellent. Apparently there is an investigation underway to figure out exactly how it happened. I do believe that it was a mistake on the parents part, letting the kid shoot the Uzi.
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Posted 30 October 2008 - 06:10 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ee1RjQGBHoc...feature=related

This is the OK auto shoot. and at the very beginning, there is a 3ish year old girl shooting a belt fed.

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Posted 30 October 2008 - 06:24 PM

A Mini Uzi is notoriously uncontrollable. A belt-fed fixed machine gun is one thing. It doesn't recoil into the operator and isn't going to move around much. And a 3 year old, if supervised, isn't going to be able to swing it around to where it can hurt anyone; their arms simply don't reach far enough to swing it at a dangerous angle. A Mini Uzi, though, is extremely dangrous because it CAN do stuff like this. No muzzle brake or anything to keep it down. It takes a strong adult with 2 hands to handle it; it's much worse than a full-sized Uzi where the barrel weight helps control it. What should be done about it? Oh, how about NOT letting children handle fully automatic PISTOLS under any circumstances? That would be a good start. I could care less if you let a supervised and braced child fire a few shots from a fully automatic rifle, but you should never give them a full-auto pistol and expect them to have hands and wrists strong enough to control it.

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Posted 30 October 2008 - 06:37 PM

This could have been prevented by learning gun safety. Who would actually let their 8 year old shoot a Uzi? I can see other sport-shooting pistols, or rifles and the like, but I would never let an 8 year old shoot an Uzi, not until he knew how guns like that handled. Its parents like that who put bad names on guns.
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Posted 30 October 2008 - 06:54 PM

Here's me and my five year old son shooting a .22 Note how BOTH of my hands are ALSO on the gun. There's no way that muzzle is going anywhere I don't intend it to. I would never have allowed an 8 yr old kid to shoot a full auto uzi by himself. Probably not even with me helping as I am in this pic. As far as government bans on guns. . .they should be fought every inch of the way!


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Posted 30 October 2008 - 07:09 PM

Who ever let that kid fire an Uzi is a BOINKing idiot.

But gun control doesn't fix anything. People that are going to commit violent crimes with guns don't care if they can legally own that gun or not.
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Posted 30 October 2008 - 09:20 PM

Gun control isn't the answer to situations like this, common sense is.

The parents shouldn't let the kid near something he can't handle, just like parents keep their kids from trying to drive a car or operate potentially hazardous machinery.

It's a sad lesson, but nobody is to blame except for the parents who let the kid get to the mini Uzi, and IMO, nobody else should suffer the consequences because of their stupidity.
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Posted 30 October 2008 - 10:01 PM

View PostLoD, on Oct 30 2008, 08:45 PM, said:

Uhm, perhaps not letting a BOINKing 8 year old child shoot an Uzi? That would have been my first step to prevent this from happening.. Yeah.
Pretty much
Gun control means using both hands, imo.
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They shouldn't, but they should probably charge whatever idiot let that child shoot the gun (I am going off of your description of the event, because my work sucks and has CNN blocked)


I can see some heads rolling here. First, the property owner/promoter/insurance agent or carrier is going to have a lot to explain...like why the child was allowed to even go NEAR the firearms...let alone shoot them. Next is the parent...what a moron. If the person was/is a firearm owner, they should have already known better.


View PostPistolWhipped, on Oct 30 2008, 06:53 PM, said:

Friggin' IDIOTS!!! I swear, the internet makes me slowly lose hope for humanity.

Then you should work in a prison and have ALL your hopes dashed into dust.....

View Post-SMITTY-, on Oct 30 2008, 08:58 PM, said:

this happened in my hometown(my uncle was the responding officer) . I've been to that machine gun shoot before, and safety was excellent. Apparently there is an investigation underway to figure out exactly how it happened. I do believe that it was a mistake on the parents part, letting the kid shoot the Uzi.

This is the ultimate price for irresponsibility. Irresponsibility on the PARENT'S part...but the event staff shouldn't be exempt either. There are things called RULES that should have been posted and adhered to - including NOT letting children fire weapons they cannot control.

View PostWardenWolf, on Oct 30 2008, 09:24 PM, said:

I could care less if you let a supervised and braced child fire a few shots from a fully automatic rifle, but you should never give them a full-auto pistol and expect them to have hands and wrists strong enough to control it.


Remember a few years back in Texas, where a father took his son to a shoot....and let him fire a .454 Casull? The son held the handgun and the father stood to the side and put his hand above the barrel to stop the muzzle climb. The child fired the gun and the father's hand wasn't strong enough to stop it. The front blade sight planted in the child's forehead, killing him instantly.


what we are suffering from here people is a lack of people taking a responsible stance on certain things. People are always looking to blame others for their misfortunes when in fact, it's their own lack of responsibility or ethic/morality. I've said it numerous times - man kind should have slept through the 60's. It seems that since the 60's...people have become super-intelligently dumb. They can operate million dollar equipment and run billion dollar companies....but just try to get them do think INSIDE the box and you get blasted for it.
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