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#16 User is offline   Big Bone 

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Posted 25 July 2006 - 07:56 AM

View Posta5noob, on Jul 22 2006, 12:35 AM, said:

Hey man me and my dad have done finishes to real guns and we dip them in our tub full of thinner and other stuff to strip them, so I don't know maybe dip the paintball guns instead of sandblasting?
There is probably a reason for not doing it this way but I thought it couldnt hurt to post my 2 cents.
And i love the work, truly amazing wish I had the ca$h.


We do already dip our parts in a solvent tank but not to avoid sandblasting. It's done to actually assist it by removing any oils that the fine sand will cling to. Sandblasting is an essential part of DuraCoating. Some painters out there don't sandblast and I think there crazy because of the huge difference in quality between the two.

View Postkevohh, on Jul 23 2006, 09:26 PM, said:

I dont know if you cut the digi stencils out by hand but something that helped me out a ton is I made digi patterns on my computer and took it to the guy who does all the vinyl stickers for my company. He has a printer that will also cut out all the stencils and they are perfect! he has a removable sticker that I print them out on. This saved me a ton of time because before I was cutting out all my stencils with an xacto knife and it took forever to make them look decent.... BIG timesaver! hope it helps! Bone, get back up here to Logan to play man!! good time and new fields!


Yup we got one of those vinyl cutter, I love it and it works great. It really has been a huge time saver. All I have to do is design the image on my computer and print it out on the cutter.
And I'll get back up to Logan. My buddy who lives up there is doing military stuff till September so I plan to go up there after he gets back. Besides it's way to hot right now. I Love Paintball but I have limits to what kind of heat I can take.
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Posted 25 July 2006 - 08:03 AM

View PostExplore, on Jul 24 2006, 06:15 PM, said:

View PostBig Bone, on Jul 19 2006, 01:01 PM, said:

View Postprotocoach, on Jul 18 2006, 10:38 PM, said:

I think Tenacious has an idea there. I got the impression that work was done one gun at a time. If you waited until you had, say five orders, got them all together, dipped/sandblasted/painted all together, you could probably save some time and money.

Also, Mech. CB had a good point, lower prices would almost certainly mean more buyers. I know there are tons of people here who would love a paintjob, but simply don't have the money.


I think I'll retime myself to see if I have gotten fast at this and from there I can drop the prices of the painting but it won't be the kind of drop I'm looking for. Keep up the comments.



Hmm..... Feel free to retime yourself on my gun!!! :D

As much as I would like to see the cost of the painting process drop, the end result is that you may cheapen the whole concept of a custom painted gun. I know that eventually it will happen, but I look at my upcoming long-q-bow and reguard it as a one-off item. This is something that I am paying dearly for, but the end result is should be worth the extra cost or it is not worth doing. The day I show up at my local field and a quarter of the guns there are digi-duracoat is the day I find another gun.

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True that! I love that fact that these are hand done works of art (well in my nerdy opinion they are). One possibility is to have a more production friendly process for sale that looked great and is easily affordable and then have a more elite process that is hand done and supreme quality. What do ya think about that? That would be a way to have the cake and eat it to.
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Posted 01 August 2006 - 05:18 PM

i think you use different paint than automotive paint, but i'm gonna do my gun soon and my dad was telling me its easy to add flattener than buy duller colored paint, also he says that the newer paint is less vandalizable(if thats a word) to paintballs, eggs, bologna, etc. just thougth i would add that.

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Post icon  Posted 07 August 2006 - 04:34 AM

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True that! I love that fact that these are hand done works of art (well in my nerdy opinion they are). One possibility is to have a more production friendly process for sale that looked great and is easily affordable and then have a more elite process that is hand done and supreme quality. What do ya think about that? That would be a way to have the cake and eat it to.
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I suspect that this new partnership with Tippmann will do wonders for the painting, as I would assume that you will have access to their printing/painting technology (ink pad mabey?), or they would just start producing pre-painted parts for you. For the masses, this may be a good thing, and I can see some of the benifits of it. The overall scope of what SO is trying to do is strengthen the woodsball aspect of paintball as a general sport, and this would do so by establishing woodsball specific guns.

Due to the vast array of guns/parts on the market, not everything will be able to be painted in mass quantitys for cheap. The scope of painting would most likely be on specific items that are sold in larger quantitys, like the 98 and A5 (again, benifits of T's painting technology), along with specific accessories that are good sellers. I dont even think that I would be all that far off in assuming that most of the SO custom guns would/could be offered prepainted in the future.

As with anything, there are nitches for almost everything, and I think this could be established as one of them. Custom hand painting would still have to be the only way for alot of items.

Tom

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Posted 07 August 2006 - 08:33 AM

We have been interested in the processes that Tippman has been using to finish there bodies but thats about all I can tell you. As for hand done Digital Camouflage, it will always be a part of Special Ops as long as I can make it be, but with technology the way it is and the possibility of doing paint jobs for much cheaper, will make the hand painting of markers obsolete. The biggest problem is that it just takes to much time.
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Posted 07 August 2006 - 02:30 PM

Get an assembly line going. LOL. That should speed things up alot. You could like 10+ markers at a time.
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Posted 09 August 2006 - 04:00 AM

I think hes onto something with the assembly line thing! :D
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Posted 09 August 2006 - 08:20 AM

Unfortunately the only way an assembly line would work is if the demand was high enough to necessitate enough employes for it and it's not.
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Posted 09 August 2006 - 08:39 AM

Bummer... I would totally let you paint my marker if what was a little bit cheaper. :P
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Posted 09 August 2006 - 09:12 AM

View PostAce of Spades, on Aug 9 2006, 09:39 AM, said:

Bummer... I would totally let you paint my marker if what was a little bit cheaper. :)


How cheap, I would like to know, could you give me something to shoot for.

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Posted 09 August 2006 - 09:47 AM

Maybe like a 4 tone digi, on an A-5A2 for like 150-180?
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Posted 09 August 2006 - 06:31 PM

How about $70-90 for the urban tiger stripe? It may seem low but i'm kind of on a budget. My parents would not like the fact that I just spent $200+ on a paint job for my marker! I'd love it - they wouldn't. :D

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Posted 09 August 2006 - 06:45 PM

You could do formed plastic stencils...

That way you could just slide the stencil over the marker, spray, and then pull the stencil off...

The only problem I see is getting a good edge...But I have a few differant ideas on how to do that.

(This would also make your digi patterns uniform...dunno if thats something you would or would not like)

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Posted 10 August 2006 - 08:31 AM

View PostTenacious221, on Aug 9 2006, 07:45 PM, said:

You could do formed plastic stencils...

That way you could just slide the stencil over the marker, spray, and then pull the stencil off...

The only problem I see is getting a good edge...But I have a few differant ideas on how to do that.

(This would also make your digi patterns uniform...dunno if thats something you would or would not like)

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I would really like to know your idea for getting a good edge on the stencils. Right now we do something similar with our A5-A2 Digi's, Broadswords, and Dagger mark 2's. The biggest problem with these is that to make the stencils themselves it takes forever (like around 3 weeks of solid work). We have thought of doing the cutouts on one of our CnC machines but the design time would cost a fortune even with an in-house designer. But really let me know what your thinking, thats about the most practical suggestion yet.
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Posted 10 August 2006 - 08:49 AM

That would be good say like a big stencil for each colour, just put in on a commando stock and spray green, chagne stencil, brown etc.


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