Aerial Reconnaissance C172 for Aerial Reconnaissance
Posted 27 September 2008 - 08:44 PM
Posted 28 September 2008 - 10:10 AM
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Posted 28 September 2008 - 11:04 AM
Posted 28 September 2008 - 11:49 AM
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Posted 28 September 2008 - 12:26 PM
Posted 28 September 2008 - 01:48 PM
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Posted 28 September 2008 - 03:16 PM
1. You'll have a really hard time finding a field owner who would let a model plane/chopper, much less a real one be used for recon in even a big scenario game. I've done chopper drops/extractions and even some door gunning in games over the years, and it is always really difficult to arrange/execute. I've seen advertised "helo missions" and "parajumpers" in games get cancelled more than anything.
2. Why, you may ask? You run into massive insurance and legal liability issues, so that's why you don't see it all that often or it gets chucked. The problems that could arise from having a plane flying low over a field and obtaining clearance and tower control for such an effort would be difficult to coordinate, and of course, worst case is you have a plane with 4 people crash into many more on the ground.
3. Don't even get me started on the hazards of dropping balls/grenades from 500+ feet. OUCH! Even enough water dropped from a sufficient height can injure someone on the ground.
4. Paintball fields (good ones, anyway) carry a good bit of insurance that isn't cheap, and many insurance comapnies wouldn't cover them for some of the above ideas or would require a huge payment to extend the coverage. I mean, we've got places out there that won't allow full-auto, nerf/grenade launchers, mines, smoke, etc. and it's not 'cause they don't like us, it's insurance/legal issues.
I think it would be great if we could have more games with live air recon and insertions, "U.A.V.s" and paratroops and all the cool mil-sim stuff that makes big games and scenarios fun, but the reality is that it's not usually possible beacause of money. When folks get hurt, they sue- even if you sign a waiver- and most owners don't want to risk losing everything they own for a model plane or real helicopter.
Don't mean to pee in anyone's cheerios here, just stating some nasty truths.
That said, doesn't mean we should stop trying to push the envelope...
This post has been edited by Violator: 28 September 2008 - 03:24 PM
Posted 28 September 2008 - 03:39 PM
this is really useful in R/L, when the area where recon is needed is massive, but paintball is a much smaller scale...D-day, maybe, but i think it was more for effect.
I like the r/c idea though
Posted 29 September 2008 - 07:25 AM
Posted 29 September 2008 - 08:03 AM
this is CORRECT. I am PPL and IFR rated but not current. There ARE regs for this as well as dropping stuff out of airplanes ! AND if you are anywhere within ANY controlled airspace A - D.....you are going to have to get ATC clearance to circle over a specific location for a certain amount of time. Do us a favour and dont try this unless you just want to take a few pics. General aviation is having a hard enough time as it is with out having to add to general paranoia.
Sec. 91.119 - Minimum safe altitudes: General.
Except when necessary for takeoff or landing, no person may operate an aircraft below the following altitudes:
(a) Anywhere. An altitude allowing, if a power unit fails, an emergency landing without undue hazard to persons or property on the surface.
( Over congested areas. Over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons, an altitude of 1,000 feet above the highest obstacle within a horizontal radius of 2,000 feet of the aircraft.
© Over other than congested areas. An altitude of 500 feet above the surface, except over open water or sparsely populated areas. In those cases, the aircraft may not be operated closer than 500 feet to any person, vessel, vehicle, or structure.
(d) Helicopters. Helicopters may be operated at less than the minimums prescribed in paragraph ( or © of this section if the operation is conducted without hazard to persons or property on the surface. In addition, each person operating a helicopter shall comply with any routes or altitudes specifically prescribed for helicopters by the Administrator.
Sec. 91.15 - Dropping objects.
No pilot in command of a civil aircraft may allow any object to be dropped from that aircraft in flight that creates a hazard to persons or property. However, this section does not prohibit the dropping of any object if reasonable precautions are taken to avoid injury or damage to persons or property.
This post has been edited by SkinWalk3r: 29 September 2008 - 08:11 AM
Posted 28 October 2008 - 03:06 PM