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#1 User is offline   Stone Jester 

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 05:46 PM

I had some questions about the BT4 that I'm thinking about getting. Answer as many of these questions as you can. Anything is helpful.

1. Do you think that the BT4 is better than the Tippmann A5?
2. Do the A5 milsim mods fit the bt4?
3. If I got an egrip for it would a rip clip or a normal electronic hopper be better?
4. Is this a good sniper if i get a longer barrel? (If so how long a barrel is good?)
5. Would any local stores sell a Bt4 ERC?

I might come up with more later
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Posted 24 February 2009 - 05:58 PM

1. I've heard that BT stuff is better then Tippmann's newer items, but I'm not sure if it's true.

4. You shouldn't really get a barrel over 14-16 inches. A longer barrel will only help you (very slightly) with accuracy, but that's up to a certain length. Don't forget that the longer the barrel, the more gas you'll have to use to get that paintball up to 285 fps.

5. I doubt it, most stores just sell spyder's and 98's/A-5's.
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Posted 24 February 2009 - 08:03 PM

View PostStone Jester, on Feb 24 2009, 06:46 PM, said:

I had some questions about the BT4 that I'm thinking about getting. Answer as many of these questions as you can. Anything is helpful.

1. Do you think that the BT4 is better than the Tippmann A5? Personally, I don't like the Cyclone feed so I bought a BT-4 myself. Is it better? I don't know if I'd say that, but it is on parr with one in my opinion.
2. Do the A5 milsim mods fit the bt4? Never tried to get them to fit as I own an Assault, but given that it is closer in shape to a 98C I seriously doubt it.
3. If I got an egrip for it would a rip clip or a normal electronic hopper be better? If you bought the BT Egrip then I'd go with a regular Electric loader, the Rip Clip seems great, but when you upgrade markers down the road you won't be able to use it. However, you'll be able to use a regular loader on most markers.
4. Is this a good sniper if I get a longer barrel? (If so how long a barrel is good?) In my opinion, NO, it's heavy and loud, not to mention that with a long barrel much less maneuverable and efficient. However, you can use any marker you want when playing the roll of Sniper, it's your choice.
5. Would any local stores sell a Bt4 ERC? I haven’t a clue.

Now if you really have your heart set on buying an A-5 or BT-4, by all means, go for it, but I wouldn’t recommend one. Instead, I suggest you look into an SP-1. It’s lighter, quieter, more gas efficient, and has a low-force bolt which almost eliminates all chops and is much easier on paint than either of the two you’re currently looking at buying. As for barrels, 14” is the most efficient length and under boring helps improve consistency and efficiency as well.


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Posted 24 February 2009 - 08:34 PM

View PostStone Jester, on Feb 24 2009, 06:46 PM, said:

I had some questions about the BT4 that I'm thinking about getting. Answer as many of these questions as you can. Anything is helpful.

1. Do you think that the BT4 is better than the Tippmann A5?
Plain and simply, yes. And I have owned both.
2. Do the A5 milsim mods fit the bt4?
The BT-4 uses A5 threaded barrels and 98C stocks.
3. If I got an egrip for it would a rip clip or a normal electronic hopper be better?
This is your preference. I prefer electronic hoppers myself. Can't stand the "tumor" a Cyclone or rip clip adds to the marke.
4. Is this a good sniper if i get a longer barrel? (If so how long a barrel is good?)
Don't pay attention to positions. They are more of a good marketing scheme than anything else. A barrel around 12-14 inches is best for me, but again preference really.
5. Would any local stores sell a Bt4 ERC?
Really depends. I saw one at a store near me... But it may be different for you.

I might come up with more later
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Posted 24 February 2009 - 08:34 PM

1. Do you think that the BT4 is better than the Tippmann A5? Yes. Takes standard hoppers and has better customer service behind it. Also the BT-4 is actually both cheaper and better made.

2. Do the A5 milsim mods fit the bt4? No

3. If I got an egrip for it would a rip clip or a normal electronic hopper be better? That's something only you can decide. The normal electronic hopper would be great as it's versatile for any other markers you may buy in the future. On the other hand, the ripclip is kind of cool and works great with the BT4. It all depends on what you think is best.

4. Is this a good sniper if i get a longer barrel? (If so how long a barrel is good?) Forget snipers. Seriously, just do it. Way too many people come into this sport trying to be the "l33t sNiporZ!" and then find out a lot of their perception doesn't hold up in the real world. Just play paintball and see what happens. Barrel length is irrelevant to accuracy as long as it's long enough to allow the barrel to get up to speed. Anything from 10-14" is fine, and even 8-9" barrels are usually OK.

There isn't really a good "sniper" marker, as they all shoot the same given correct paint/bore match and the same speed. The only improvement that a marker can do is consistency, or how much variance there is between shots over the chrono.


5. Would any local stores sell a Bt4 ERC? Maybe, maybe not. I have no idea what stores are in your area.
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Posted 25 February 2009 - 07:41 PM

I love my Tippmann X7 and would never go to a bt they just copy tippmanns ideas and make them blow.
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Posted 25 February 2009 - 07:43 PM

My field rents BT4s..and they suck, those things are a pain to take apart and fix/clean...just go with a Autococker or something..stay away from Tippmann/bt
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Posted 25 February 2009 - 08:44 PM

View PostPaintballbryce, on Feb 25 2009, 08:41 PM, said:

I love my Tippmann X7 and would never go to a bt they just copy tippmanns ideas and make them blow.

Next time,
Before you go running your mouth about a company, take care to actually know what you are talking about.

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 09:28 PM

In general, I would say BT's are a half step above Tippmann. A lot of people are quick to dismiss them as knock-offs. But really, BT (or Ben Tippmann) is in a sense more Tippmann-like than Tippmanns are today. Ben Tippmann pretty much didn't like some of the decisions Tippmann made so he split. They basically take what they don't like about Tippmann products and try to improve upon it.

I'm not a huge fan of BT markers, I still think they're rather cheap, but I prefer them over Tippmann's models. If you like blowbacks I would suggest looking at Tippmann's Carbine series, Vector M1s, and VM-68s. If you're really lucky you might be able to find an old Montneel. I don't feel that modern day models really do the valve system justice.
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Posted 25 February 2009 - 09:40 PM

Wow. I can't believe someone actually thinks BTs are hard to take apart, clean, and fix??? They have a modular grip frame and the front grip, feedneck, and rear sight just slide right off. After that there's only 4 screws holding them together. lol. They're so simple and easy to fix a blind monkey could do it. lol. How do they "suck"? Mine and all the other BTs at my field work fine.

I've been playing paintball for 20 years. I've seen players have problems with EVERY brand of marker you can think of but that doesn't mean each of those brands is a piece of crap. They're just paintball markers and crap happens.

BT Paintball Designs isn't just some company that copies Tippmann's ideas. BT is owned by Ben Tippmann. He left Tippmann because he didn't agree with the Tippmann family selling out to a huge conglomerate. He faught the sellout but was outvoted by the rest of the Tippmann family. Only then did he leave to start BT Paintball Designs. BT's products are every bit as good as Tippmann's and thier customer service is too. Both companies make good dependable products.

As for comparing the A5 to the BT-4 the performance will be really close. The A5 will use more air and you need to upgrade the ratchet in the cyclone. Other issues I've seen as the tech at my field is that there is a greater chance of a leak on the A5 where the tombstone contacts the valve and if the cyclone takes a dump you're done until you get it fixed. The cyclone may be hard on brittle paint or break paint in cold weather. These problems are minimal and most A5 owners don't mind dealing with them. There's less problems with the BT for the same reason there's less problems with the 98C, because there's just less to go wrong. The air line on the BT and 98C is screwed straight into the valve so there's no O-ring to depend on like on the A5. The BT and the 98C can use any loader so you're not stuck with just the cyclone which also lessens the possibilty of a simple problem taking you out of a game. I like the BT over the 98C just because it has a modular grip frame.

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Posted 26 February 2009 - 07:31 AM

View PostPaintballbryce, on Feb 25 2009, 08:41 PM, said:

I love my Tippmann X7 and would never go to a bt they just copy tippmanns ideas and make them blow.


Have you even seen a BT?

I didn't think so...

DVLCHLD covered the history pretty well, so I don't have to add to that - point is, that BT isn't copying because BT was Tippmann too.


As far as quality goes... I've owned 4 different Tippmanns across the years (bought some, won some at events), including an X7. Of the four, the X7 gave me the most problems I've ever had in any marker, and that puts it lower than stacked-tube blow backs like spyder clones.

I've tried BTs, and while I don't actually own a BT blowback, I can say they are far nicer for the design that it is (namely, a blowback). I do have a BT TM7 however, and that has allowed me to experience customer support. It's better than Tippmanns. My TM7 went bad, they sent a brand new board free of charge to see if that would help. It didn't, so now they're paying for shipping both ways to have my TM7 inspected/fixed by the pros. I cannot remember Tippmann offering that much help - they may send a cheap part or two, but they'd never cover shipping both ways to fix one of their products, especially not without a "proof of warranty" registration. BT has never asked me to provide any proof, they simply take my word as good.
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Posted 26 February 2009 - 09:25 AM

@ DVLCHLD

Im biased toward speedball markers, thats why they "suck" imo, and they are extremly hard to take apart and clean..compared to most other markers i use and tech..
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Posted 26 February 2009 - 02:39 PM

View PostStone Jester, on Feb 24 2009, 07:46 PM, said:

I had some questions about the BT4 that I'm thinking about getting. Answer as many of these questions as you can. Anything is helpful.

1. Do you think that the BT4 is better than the Tippmann A5?
As of yet, I can't speak to this. However, I should be able to soon. I own both a BT-4 Delta Elite (new) and an A-5 (used). I'll let you know whan I get out to shoot them.
2. Do the A5 milsim mods fit the bt4?
No. However, the barrels use the same thread.
3. If I got an egrip for it would a rip clip or a normal electronic hopper be better?
Rip Clip al the way. For me, the Rip Clip is fantastic. As of yet, I had had no breaks within it, it is easy to clean, and workd very well in general. No chops either.
4. Is this a good sniper if i get a longer barrel? (If so how long a barrel is good?)
If you want distance, go with the Apex barrel. I am not a believe in the "paintball sniper". Not to jack the thread, just to give you they "why" behind, my view.
5. Would any local stores sell a Bt4 ERC?
It depends on the store. Often a store will custom order for you anyway.

I might come up with more later
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Posted 27 February 2009 - 07:03 AM

All in all the choice is yours. I can say from experience that I would pick the BT over an A5 anyday. I have had, as of today, 3 A5's, 98custom, BT Assualt, and a BT SWAT over the ten years I have been playing.

When it comes to performance my BT always outperformed my A5 and 98 custom. Heck I even liked my 98 custom better than the A5. To me the A5 hopper is to bulky and just gets in the way. I would rather have a Halo B with rip drive any day. The BT's are heavier stock but the weight isnt really that big of a deal. If you are going for the whole "mil sim" look like I once was, just get a BT Delta. Everyone likes MP5's.

I have also had to change out my E-grip 3 times on my A5 because of it malfunctioning. Tippmann was nice enough to send me a new one after I kept sending them my gun, but I got tired of paying shipping to keep sending my gun back. On the bright side I can take them apart in my sleep.

Good luck with your choice but it seems like, majority says go with a BT. Of course you can always do the smart thing and just buy a Proto Matrix Rail or a Mini!

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