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Post icon  Posted 02 February 2008 - 08:44 PM

;) I have been reading into the bt apex barrel for my A-5. What are you guys thoughts on it? I have heard that its better than the flatline in many levels and can shoot people behind bunkers.
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Posted 02 February 2008 - 09:55 PM

A lot of people talk about doing "trick shots" with it, and it being able to hit people around trees and such. In reality, I don't see it happen very much. Most people either forget about it or don't bother. It's predominately used to get a flatter trajectory.

Accuracy wise, both perform decently when they are properly tuned. Flatlines tend to be harder to get there though. Both work in a similar principle of putting backspin on the paintball. Both are rougher on paint, while the Flatline is notably hard on paint.

A lot of people buy Apexes and flatlines thinking they are going to be getting more range. While they flatten out your trajectory and in a certain sense extend range, they don't really increase your effective range. The paintball is still traveling at the same velocity and with a normal barrel all you have to do is arc your shots a little to compensate. You won't really be able to out range someone unless there happens to be a low tree canopy in the way. There is some debate to weather Apex/Flatline barrels are less accurate. The general consensus is that both will decrease your accuracy the higher the level of backspin is. Paintballs are liquid filled and even have an air hole in them. Spinning a paintball generally decreased how stable it is in flight.
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Posted 02 February 2008 - 10:19 PM

I prefer the Apex of the flatline for a couple of reasons. Ease of changing barrels, better tolerance of different types of paint, easier to clean in the case of a break, the adjustable levels of the "flatline" effect, and the dive bomb.

With the "trick" shots, you need to take the time to learn how each works works so you can adjust appropriately for each game. I've used the dive bomb shot. I had a guy shooting at my from the top of a hill and he would drop behind it when I started to shot at hom. I walked 3 or 4 shots up the hill and then got him on the back side of the hill.
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 08:12 AM

I love my Apex. I rarely use it for extra range. What I like most is the flat trajectory which comes in VERY useful in the dense woods we paintball in. I also use the dive bomb shot alot with great success. On occassion I'll use the left and right curve shots which may not hit thier mark but they'll make the player I'm shooting at retreat which is fine with me.
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 09:56 AM

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A lot of people talk about doing "trick shots" with it, and it being able to hit people around trees and such. In reality, I don't see it happen very much. Most people either forget about it or don't bother. It's predominately used to get a flatter trajectory.
I have the APEX and have seen the same happen with others. They forget what the APEX can do.

Accuracy wise, both perform decently when they are properly tuned. Flatlines tend to be harder to get there though. Both work in a similar principle of putting backspin on the paintball. Both are rougher on paint, while the Flatline is notably hard on paint.
True, the nice thing about the APEX is that you can turn off the backspin effect.

A lot of people buy Apexes and flatlines thinking they are going to be getting more range. While they flatten out your trajectory and in a certain sense extend range, they don't really increase your effective range. The paintball is still traveling at the same velocity and with a normal barrel all you have to do is arc your shots a little to compensate. You won't really be able to out range someone unless there happens to be a low tree canopy in the way. There is some debate to weather Apex/Flatline barrels are less accurate. The general consensus is that both will decrease your accuracy the higher the level of backspin is. Paintballs are liquid filled and even have an air hole in them. Spinning a paintball generally decreased how stable it is in flight.
This is where I disagree. Your range IS increased and paintballs DON'T have air holes. The backspin that is imparted to the paintball is called the "Magnus Effect". It is an aerodynamic effect that causes lift. Without regard to accuracy I've "floated" paintballs over 100 yrds using the APEX. Think of accuracy as a cone. The further away the target the larger the cone will be. Most paintball players are used to 75-100' ranges, they start using the APEX and now they have more range and a larger cone so it seems like they have less accuracy. Then you throw in the inherent inaccuracy of paintballs and that makes it even worse.
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 10:40 AM

I too, recommend acquiring a BT Apex barrel. The Apex will give you a unique paintball experience. Long range and dive bomb shots have already been discussed. Here's an example of what has been referred to as a trick shot. One day I saw a player enter a small building about 40 yards to my front. The building only had one doorway. The doorway was not in the wall of the building facing me but rather on a side wall running parallel to my line of sight. By rotating the Apex a quarter turn I was able to send ball after ball into the building through the door way. The balls would curve way out to the right then back to the left and right through the door.

I didn't mark the player in the building but neither was he willing to leave the building and run a gauntlet of incoming paint. Could I have moved forward and to the right and kept the opposing player in the building using a normal barrel? Probably, but using the Apex worked really well.
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 12:00 PM

Paintballs do have a small pocket of air in them. It's a common issue with the encapsulation process. Nearly identical machines make the gel medication some people take, if you examine one of those you will notice a pocket of air inside the pill. Small, but present. It's also one of the reasons why paintballs are capable of becoming dimpled. This web page goes into good depth over the makeup of a paintball, as well as some of the characteristics when spinning it. Paintball Physics It's interesting if you are more of a mathematical kind.

I'm not denying that the Apex give you more range, or increases your maximum range. What I challenge is it's ability to give you more effective range. Otter from otter customs as well as Durty Dan had a pretty good working definition of effect range:

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The effective range is that distance that the paintball has to hit a pretty solid target. A solid target can be considered as a marker, hopper, pack, or goggles. This effective range can be 70 to 80 feet out to around 100 feet. I will also mention that this 'effective' range can be dodged by the target if (s)he has good reflexes.


I'm well aware of the Magnus effect, it puts upward force on the ball, but it has no forces acting in a lateral direction meaning a paintball at 100 feet is going just as fast no matter the barrel. It simply flattens out your trajectory.
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 01:36 PM

I recommend using an apex if it's within your budget. Although you won't need it all the time, it's quite lightweight so you'll never mind the slight increase in weight but you'll notice it when you do need it. If you ever find yourself outgunned but outside the range of your opponents, you can produce surpressing fire sufficient to move into a more favorable position or await fire support from other teammates.


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Posted 03 February 2008 - 06:04 PM

View PostDVLCHLD, on Feb 3 2008, 09:12 AM, said:

I love my Apex. I rarely use it for extra range. What I like most is the flat trajectory which comes in VERY useful in the dense woods we paintball in. I also use the dive bomb shot alot with great success. On occassion I'll use the left and right curve shots which may not hit thier mark but they'll make the player I'm shooting at retreat which is fine with me.


This is its biggest advantage. flat trajectories ROCK in dense woods.
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Post icon  Posted 15 March 2008 - 09:45 PM

:) Well I have to say. I am impressed. I recently purchased an Apex Barrel and WOW! It is my new favorite barrel. The flat tragectory is awesome.
I like how its got settings for the ball tragectory. Low to High. The balls go for sow long. The dive tragectory is great. I shot four people, 2 people behing two
bunkers with no problem. The curve shots aint as drastic as the dive bomb, but it works great when trying to get people to hide and let them know that you mean business. I also have a flatline and I'm sticking to the Apex Barrel from now on.
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