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#31 User is offline   billybob 

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 11:49 AM

BLC took home the first place masters prizes and Ghost Recon took home the second place prizes. As far as whether or not BLC can play rookie at nationals..... I thought the rules stated that taking first in masters at a qualifier just meant that you were ineligible for rookie the following season.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 02:03 PM

Well, my team (BlackLight) is now required to move into the Masters division for the 2009 season, having been in more than one game for this year. Also, placing 1st in an event does the same. But, as I read the divisions breakdown, our games affect NEXT year's divisional breakdown for BLC.

Prizes- no idea. I wasn't able to accompany my team to KC.
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 04:29 PM

Ok... since Jayson won't be here for a while, and this is getting a bit out of hand, I'll step in and give what I understand to be the official take on this.

Now, I wasn't directly involved in this conversation, but I was standing nearby, and as a guest player with BLC and someone who helps with the SPPL, I think I've got a good look at both sides.

Black Light Company travelled to Kansas and competed as a Rookie team. Their points were correctly awarded in the rookie division. All BLC players are rookies (with the exception of the 2 rostered Masters players)

Due to the lower turnout at the Kansas event, BLC played as if they were a Masters team. This made the scheduling much simpler, gave the teams something to fight for (as otherwise, all teams would have automatically won their division.. kind of dull), and on every level made the event run more smoothly.

As it so happened, BLC defeated the other Masters team. Because of this BLC was awarded the first place master's prize package.

As far as BLC is and was concerned, we had absolutely no intention of playing in the Masters Division and removing our eligibility to play Rookie at the SPPL Finals in Georgia. When these arrangements were made, this was the first priority of BLC (to take home any points or awards in the Rookie Division), and Jayson totally agreed there.

The short story is, BLC remains a rookie team for the remainder of the 2008 season, and will be playing for the Rookie Division Championship in Georgia in a few months.

Hope that makes sense
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Posted 23 August 2008 - 05:59 PM

As has been stated above, Jayson will need to weigh in on this and I'm sure that he will early in the next week after the Michigan Quali is done.

That said, I, and I think all parties involved want a fair resolution to the questions asked.
However I think that this is the wrong place to discuss it further.

If members of either Ghost Recon or Suicide Kings want to discuss this please contact me via PM, but I would ask that you contact Jayson prior to me.

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Posted 23 August 2008 - 10:18 PM

Not trying to stir the pot up Lo, just trying to understand how and why things turned out the way they did in KC. I really don't see how things can get out of hand by asking a few questions, I'm not trying to bash anyone. I tried to reach Schloob on Thurs. and Friday, but like I said....we played phone tag and I'm sure we'll get together next week after he gets back from Michigan.

One thing that does disturb me Lo is that you stated that Schloob was being generous and willing to compensate a team which traveled a great distance with only 12 players for 3 hours of paintball. Some teams have to travel a little farther than others to get to these events and some teams can't always get a full 15 man roster, that's just the way it is. We went to Utah (with 11 players) and Oregon (with 7 Players) to compete. Our traveling times (especially mine being from Phoenix) are probably just as high as BLC to KC, but we chose to fly. So hearing that a team "may have" received compensation for such reasons kinda bothers me, but I'll get over it.

Please don't take my words as having hate for another team, player or individual. I'm just trying to understand things better. We had thought about going to CA (due to a low turnout) and compete in a higher division, but we didn't want to jeopardize any chance of competing for a Rookie division title. We may have made a mistake and maybe that's why we're in the Rookie division after all.

Congrats to BLC on your victory, you are a great group of guys and we're looking forward to seeing you again in GA. Maybe we can get some beers after Nationals......
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 06:49 AM

Very interesting scenario.

SPPL attempted to compensate for "what if I try it and get creamed", but I guess "what if I try it and do well" never crossed everyones mind. The rules address bumping down, but not bumping up. Can't say I would have had the forsight to predict that one either.

Please keep this issue visible somewhere on the forum .... it has implications for other teams still playing qualifiers.



I'd like to piggyback another issue on this; what if a team participates in their division during a qualifier, smokes the teams in their brackets (and maybe even in the bracket above them) ...... can they elect to take a voluntary bump to the next division at the finals.
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 08:14 AM

I want to say a few things to hopefully help the discussion at hand.

To my knowledge no team who participated in KC was compensated with prizes or points on anything other than win/loss records and game scores, excepting sportsmanship.

Due to the small turn out in KS, coupled by the awful weather, the some unexpected and unforeseen outcomes resulted.

I urge all the people who are posting in this thread to keep a few things in mind:

This is a public forum, viewed by potential new players and sponsors.
Right or wrong, decisions have been made and the League (ie Schoob/Jayson) has not spoken or weighed in on those yet.
This is the first year with different divisions, lines had to be drawn somewhere.



On another note, to the Suicide Kings; Blacklight is very much looking forward to a rematch in GA as well as some cold-ones with you guys.
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Posted 24 August 2008 - 10:11 AM

Simple fact is that there are no prizes in the Rookie Division, other than the medals. So the fact that BLC took home the prizes for 1st in the Masters division means that their points need to go towards standings in the Masters division. Schloob even referred to BLC as a Masters team at the event.
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Posted 25 August 2008 - 06:47 PM

On a personal note, I think it's great that Jayson decided to give prizes to Black Light Company (even though they are officially in the Rookie Division), since there were extra prize packages due to the low team turn out. I would consider that an extenuating circumstance, and Jayson made the best decision he could. I also think it was just a typo or brain fart that he only gave Ghost Recon 90 Masters points, and I hope he makes sure they get the 100 points they deserve.

Of course, I could be wrong about everything. These are just my opinions. I just want to play paintball and keep as many teams in the SPPL as I can.

See y'all in Georgia!

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and your post makes perfect sense, Lomarandil.

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 04:26 PM

I just got back in town from the Michigan event and saw this post. So I will add my two cents.

For ease in creating a schedule at this event I asked BLC to play up a division. I also required them to pay the extra $100 dollars for a total registration fee of $500. Thanks for the help Lo, but this was not done as a "thank you" to BLC for driving so far to this event. We had 4 teams show up and one left after their first game; leaving 3 teams. We're doing the best we can to make these smaller events work; even though we do it at a huge loss financially. But I am doing it since I made the commitment that we would not cancel events this year.

This seems very simple to me but I am sure many of you may still have questions. If you do please feel free to send me an email at jayson@playsppl.com.

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 04:52 PM

View PostAcara, on Aug 24 2008, 06:49 AM, said:

Very interesting scenario.
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I'd like to piggyback another issue on this; what if a team participates in their division during a qualifier, smokes the teams in their brackets (and maybe even in the bracket above them) ...... can they elect to take a voluntary bump to the next division at the finals.


According to rule 30.0 of the latest rules I have (last updated on 4/23/08):

Teams can play in any Division if they meet that Division’s qualification requirements. For instance, a team can start their first season in the Elite or Masters Division. Teams placing in the bottom third in a Major Event/Qualifier are permitted to move down one Division during the course of the season.
Although the rules only seem to address "starting" the season in a division, I think it is implied that a team can move up a division any time they like, but once they do so, they are stuck there and cannot move back down unless they place in the bottom third in a regional.

Remember, this is different than a team that plays against higher division teams because of bracketing issues (Rule 29.0). In that case, the team is not actually playing as a higher division team; they are merely playing against a higher division team. From my understanding, that is what happened in K.C., and although BLC won against the Masters team, they were still playing as a Rookie team.

I think it is also implied that coming in third in your division when there are only 3 teams does not count as "bottom third"; it would look funny to win prizes and then move down a division. But once again, I could be wrong in my interpretation.

This is becoming a very interesting (and polite) thread, and I am impressed to be among the company of so many players who also want to understand the rules. I am enjoying seeing what other players think. This is exactly why I play SPPL.
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