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Posted 08 June 2009 - 09:19 AM

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This weekend i was trying to get together a game or paintball, nothing too incredible just some friends out in the woods blasting each other and enjoying the spirit of comradery. I was making my calls and gathering people up, when i made a call i hadn't in a long time.

I made a call to a guy i had played with in years past, and figured i would give him and his crew a ring, I did and they were hesitant to play on a field where they don't normally, which is fine. and i can respect that.

So they gave me their website and link to their forum and i went on there to hit them up and post up my game, before i did that though i started looking through their site, as it turns out they haven't changed a bit since i played with them last, they hardly ever play on a field that isn't their own, they will not on any terms split up into groups (i.e. they only play with their team) and they use the typical Spec Ops recommended gear, i.e. Radios, vests and such.

I'm not flaming here, i used to be into that, but i think what set me off was when i told them we were gonna play semi/pump only he said he wouldn't play unless he could go full auto. I really think this is more of a personal thing for me, but does anyone else out there see this attitude and not like it? I have changed my ways and I am more for the fun day out with buddies and newbies messin' around, switchin' up the teams and going for it. Just having a good time, not sticking to one group and one feild and being a kermudgeon on game rules.

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 09:29 AM

Ive run into this problem before reffing, well one of them. People REFUSE to be split up. Usually we try as hard as we can to accomodate people. But where theres a speedball-type team of 10 people who want to be together, and 20 total players, the other 10 being rentals, it gets rediculous.

One other problem we run into on the field is two players who are ungodly good when paired together. They were in iraq together, are army buddies, etc. They refuse to play against/shoot each other, which I understand. This means whenever they play, it ends up being them plus maybe two against 15 to make the teams fair. Then the two people paired with them complain about how unfair the teams are. People have to understand- it isnt about numbers, its about skill of players. Those two are equal to 10 rentals, etc.
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Posted 08 June 2009 - 09:33 AM

Ehh in some ways my friends act that way, I'll present rules for the day and halfway throguh a game they well break them, no forwarning at all. So I'm used to people being uncoopertive, these guys just want to play their way and if dosent fit their way they won't play.
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Posted 08 June 2009 - 09:35 AM

"Fun" is a very subjective term, especially when it comes to paintball. Speedball is Okay from time to time for me but I don't consider playing it all that fun.

I can see a new group of players not wanting to split up from tier friends and that's kind of normal. They want to have fun playing with their group.

I can see an established team wanting to play together in a big game/scenario so they can test out their squad tactics and such. I can also see them playing another established team as a practice.

Refusing to play on only your home field and as a team? That's a bit uptight to me. It feels like they are trying to stack the deck in their favor so they can dominate "noobs" and claim bragging rights. It's like playing cards with a 5 year old, he makes the rules so you can't win.

I suppose you could goad them into playing elsewhere by challenging them, claiming that they can't really be a team because their afraid they'd lose on any field but their own. Getting them to split up.... I suspect they'd say they don't want to give up any team secrets. But maybe getting them to lead a small squad each so they can see who's the best leader on their team would work.

Ultimately it's up to them. If they refuse your offer to come and play, tell them it's their loss and you won't bother calling them again.
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Posted 08 June 2009 - 09:35 AM

View PostA-MAD07, on Jun 8 2009, 09:33 AM, said:

Ehh in some ways my friends act that way, I'll present rules for the day and halfway throguh a game they well break them, no forwarning at all. So I'm used to people being uncoopertive, these guys just want to play their way and if dosent fit their way they won't play.

Yeah, I just have a really hard time with that, especially trying to figure out how these guys are sponsored and whatnot, i just dont get how any company would want that image to reflect their product.
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Posted 08 June 2009 - 09:36 AM

These people sound too full of themselves...go ahead & rant.

I can see not wanting to split a team up, but I cant see making a stink about it...sometimes you gotta do it to keep the game going smoothly.
My team prefers not to split, but if the game director/field owner asks we will do it anyway out of courtesy. Heck, we attended a scenario once where one of the generals was a no-show, and we ended up running BOTH armies - we split our team up and provided a general & command staff for each team just to keep the game going. Suprisingly fun...sometimes its fun to shoot your own guys!
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Posted 08 June 2009 - 09:40 AM

View PostPuzuma, on Jun 8 2009, 09:35 AM, said:

"Fun" is a very subjective term, especially when it comes to paintball. Speedball is Okay from time to time for me but I don't consider playing it all that fun.

I can see a new group of players not wanting to split up from tier friends and that's kind of normal. They want to have fun playing with their group.

I can see an established team wanting to play together in a big game/scenario so they can test out their squad tactics and such. I can also see them playing another established team as a practice.

Refusing to play on only your home field and as a team? That's a bit uptight to me. It feels like they are trying to stack the deck in their favor so they can dominate "noobs" and claim bragging rights. It's like playing cards with a 5 year old, he makes the rules so you can't win.

I suppose you could goad them into playing elsewhere by challenging them, claiming that they can't really be a team because their afraid they'd lose on any field but their own. Getting them to split up.... I suspect they'd say they don't want to give up any team secrets. But maybe getting them to lead a small squad each so they can see who's the best leader on their team would work.

Ultimately it's up to them. If they refuse your offer to come and play, tell them it's their loss and you won't bother calling them again.

That exactly what it boils down to, stacking the deck.

View PostThe Stuntman, on Jun 8 2009, 09:36 AM, said:

These people sound too full of themselves...go ahead & rant.

I can see not wanting to split a team up, but I cant see making a stink about it...sometimes you gotta do it to keep the game going smoothly.
My team prefers not to split, but if the game director/field owner asks we will do it anyway out of courtesy. Heck, we attended a scenario once where one of the generals was a no-show, and we ended up running BOTH armies - we split our team up and provided a general & command staff for each team just to keep the game going. Suprisingly fun...sometimes its fun to shoot your own guys!

I LOVE SHOOTING MY GUYS! its fun, and keeps everyone honest. and i never have more fun unless im playing against those who know me, because i have to work at it to do well. (wow that sounded cocky, not gloating at all here)
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Posted 08 June 2009 - 09:41 AM

If I go to a field I want to play with my friends sometimes. Especially a new field. There have been days where I've been split from my friends and I would shoot out the other guys and once it was down to just my friends against me, I would walk off. Mind you, I'm talking about no more than 2 friends and we know how to play on-ball. Ha.

So I see both sides of the argument here. It seems like they have a big enough group they can play with their friends no matter how its split.
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Posted 08 June 2009 - 09:47 AM

View Postghostinthewood, on Jun 8 2009, 09:41 AM, said:

If I go to a field I want to play with my friends sometimes. Especially a new field. There have been days where I've been split from my friends and I would shoot out the other guys and once it was down to just my friends against me, I would walk off. Mind you, I'm talking about no more than 2 friends and we know how to play on-ball. Ha.

So I see both sides of the argument here. It seems like they have a big enough group they can play with their friends no matter how its split.

kinda, they have a group that comes and plays with them and enjoys playing for hopes of getting a seat on the team... so that every week they have a group to play against. at least thats how it has always been. things might be different now, i havent played with them in a long time.
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Posted 08 June 2009 - 09:54 AM

What's their website.... Just out of curiosity.
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Posted 08 June 2009 - 09:56 AM

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 10:15 AM

Got it. Poking around a little I found

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What does it take to be a ?


A :

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is experienced, well equipped, aggressive, and especially lethal when playing in thick cover;
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believes that playing as part of a team makes for a better, stronger player;
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wants to win and will do anything within the rules to make sure that happens;
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never cheats, illegally wipes paint, or argues with a referee;
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is concerned about safety and making sure that no one gets hurt;
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always tries to help less-experienced players and answer their questions;

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never leaves a teammate behind; and
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absolutely loves playing the game of paintball.

By not splitting up one could argue they are violating their own rule #6. Oh well. What can you do?

Looking at more of their stuff... I find it disturbing that they play outlaw in an area where non paintball traffic can be. They say they are moving to a new field location but it still sees the odd non PB player through there. The fact that there's been an increase in mountain bike traffic should be more than enough reason for them to move but they make it sound like the main reason is because a lot of their heavy cover has been lost.
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Posted 08 June 2009 - 10:16 AM

I want to go to this field of theirs with my crew, just to roll them and take them down a peg ;)

Seriously, these guys don't sound like they'd be any fun to play with. Way too uptight for me.
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Posted 08 June 2009 - 10:19 AM

View PostPuzuma, on Jun 8 2009, 10:15 AM, said:

Got it. Poking around a little I found

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What does it take to be a ?


A :

1.
is experienced, well equipped, aggressive, and especially lethal when playing in thick cover;
2.
believes that playing as part of a team makes for a better, stronger player;
3.
wants to win and will do anything within the rules to make sure that happens;
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never cheats, illegally wipes paint, or argues with a referee;
5.
is concerned about safety and making sure that no one gets hurt;
6.
always tries to help less-experienced players and answer their questions;

7.
never leaves a teammate behind; and
8.
absolutely loves playing the game of paintball.

By not splitting up one could argue they are violating their own rule #6. Oh well. What can you do?

Looking at more of their stuff... I find it disturbing that they play outlaw in an area where non paintball traffic can be. They say they are moving to a new field location but it still sees the odd non PB player through there. The fact that there's been an increase in mountain bike traffic should be more than enough reason for them to move but they make it sound like the main reason is because a lot of their heavy cover has been lost.

No, no they answer all the questions anout how good their gear is... :dodgy:

View PostPirate, on Jun 8 2009, 10:16 AM, said:

I want to go to this field of theirs with my crew, just to roll them and take them down a peg :laugh:

Seriously, these guys don't sound like they'd be any fun to play with. Way too uptight for me.
Rant away man.

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Posted 08 June 2009 - 11:19 AM

Well, once they realize they are only hurting their team skills by not splitting up they will reach a level of skill and sit there.

Until they split up and start learning the strong and weak points of their team members they will never know hope to work together better.


Too bad.
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