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the true meaning of sniping.... honestly... This should get every to hush.... Rate Topic: -----

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Posted 26 May 2007 - 01:30 AM

the term sniper comes from Scotland.
In Scotland there is a game bird called a Snipe. A Sniper is someone capable of killing the bird with a Rifle, and not a shotgun...

the term Sniper truly has nothing to do with stealth or range. those or extras that people have added to the meaning over time.

it came to be used as a military definition for highly skilled marksman in WWI, because the newly branded Snipers were being trained by the Scottish hunting guides in rapid accurate fire on many targets, and when they passed their supplementary training the Scots branded them snipers.


Sniper = Skilled Marksman
nuff said.

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Posted 26 May 2007 - 08:58 AM

HAHAHAHAhahahahahahAHAHAHAHAH AHHAHAHAEHHHHHHHAAAAAHHHHHAAAAAAAAA wow hahaha I logged in just to reply to this post. thats halarious. No stop being an idiot.
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Posted 26 May 2007 - 09:09 AM

How's about you stop flaming?
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Posted 26 May 2007 - 10:47 AM

hmmm, This might get some people to reconsider what they call themselfs. Its deffinatly another perspective on the topic...maybe someone else could add their opinion?

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Posted 26 May 2007 - 12:17 PM

.... I have said that over a million times and trust me no one will shut up.
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Posted 26 May 2007 - 01:13 PM

View PostAgentMongoose, on May 26 2007, 04:30 AM, said:

the term sniper comes from Scotland.
In Scotland there is a game bird called a Snipe. A Sniper is someone capable of killing the bird with a Rifle, and not a shotgun...

the term Sniper truly has nothing to do with stealth or range. those or extras that people have added to the meaning over time.

it came to be used as a military definition for highly skilled marksman in WWI, because the newly branded Snipers were being trained by the Scottish hunting guides in rapid accurate fire on many targets, and when they passed their supplementary training the Scots branded them snipers.


Sniper = Skilled Marksman
nuff said.


No, not "nuff said", not by a long shot...pun intended. That's the whole problem. Too many people here attempt to whittle the "real" sniper role down to a way too simplistic definition to apply to the "paintball" sniper role. Then so-called snipers here attempt to transition the role to paintball applications and fail/disappoint miserably because of their own myopic understanding of the sniper role, fueling the envious/jealous anti-sniper campaign. The role is complex, and many people's attitudes/understanding regarding it do not acknowledge that.

The term "sniper" does not have anything to do with range. Distance and precision are "relative" terms. These terms are relative to the skill, technique, technology, or science available or applied. Years ago, a scalpel was a precision cutting intrument as compared to a steak knife. Now, lasers are the "cutting edge." Distance is a factor that must be calculated to make a precision shot, as are wind, visibility, other atmospheric conditions, etc. That is true for ALL shooters, regardless of what one calls themself. What sets a sniper apart, is that they are able to make these calculations more effectively and precisely than other shooters. Not every Marksmen or Sharpshooter makes the sniper cut. The term "sniper" has evolved and developed into specialized roles over the years, and the word sniper has many connotations, so trying to come up with a one-size-fits-all description is an exercise in frustration.

As stated in the post above, soldiers had to pass a rigorous set of qualifications to be designated as a sniper. Many people here claim that title merely by throwing on a ghillie, twisting on a 16"+ barrel, camping out somewhere, and tagging the occasional newb. To be "qualified" as "paintball" sniper, you should have to be designated a sharpshooter or marksmen with a standard paintball marker as compared to even your above average shooter. Then you should have to demonstrate proficiency in other sniper skills and field craft, such as ghillie construction/improvising, recon, hide selection/construction, field sketching, etc. Now, maybe all that is getting a little carried away for what is essentially, "playing pretend", but the sniper role is no more "pretend" than the other "make believe" paintball positions, and actually having some sniper skills might establish some much needed credibility for those that CALL themselves sniper. That's really what the root issue comes down to, is credibility. But again, that applies to ALL paintball positions, real or pretend. It's all in the sake of fun, right people?
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Posted 26 May 2007 - 05:02 PM

^^Nice dramatic mono...anyway I think that the thread starter isnt trying to dumb down or classify everyone in a one size fits all deffinition, I think hes just trying to say that people that call themselves snipers or "marksman" are the exact same thing.

And let me ask you this, do you really take a sketch pad with you evertime you go out onto the feild, cause I know that I do all that sketching in my head.

This post has been edited by #1 ASSASIN: 26 May 2007 - 05:04 PM


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Posted 26 May 2007 - 06:28 PM

View Post#1 ASSASIN, on May 26 2007, 08:02 PM, said:

^^Nice dramatic mono...anyway I think that the thread starter isnt trying to dumb down or classify everyone in a one size fits all deffinition, I think hes just trying to say that people that call themselves snipers or "marksman" are the exact same thing.

And let me ask you this, do you really take a sketch pad with you evertime you go out onto the feild, cause I know that I do all that sketching in my head.


I would if I was asked to provide recon. Again, paintball snipers expect to be taken seriously, yet some here don't seem as serious about the role, which is one reason so many are written off. This isn't something you would do for walk-on type games, but for multi-day scenario type games like D-Day/ION, sketches come in handy.
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Posted 26 May 2007 - 07:28 PM

View PostAgentMongoose, on May 26 2007, 01:30 AM, said:

the term sniper comes from Scotland.
In Scotland there is a game bird called a Snipe. A Sniper is someone capable of killing the bird with a Rifle, and not a shotgun...

the term Sniper truly has nothing to do with stealth or range. those or extras that people have added to the meaning over time.

it came to be used as a military definition for highly skilled marksman in WWI, because the newly branded Snipers were being trained by the Scottish hunting guides in rapid accurate fire on many targets, and when they passed their supplementary training the Scots branded them snipers.


Sniper = Skilled Marksman
nuff said.

Its not in Scotland, they hunted snipes in the British territories/colonies around India. The birds were also difficult to hunt. I bring this up a lot and it doesnt open those otherwise-minded people.

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Posted 26 May 2007 - 08:30 PM

Well, I certainly didn't mean that in a flaming way. But seriously, anyone whos been aware of sniper debates for the past 4 years would laugh at that post. I mean, I didn't come in here and argue, I just expressed that I thought it was pretty halarious, but laughing.

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Posted 26 May 2007 - 08:33 PM

I always use these definitions for paintball...

Marksman- A person skilled in the one shot one kill art.
Sniper- A person skilled in the art of concealment, and contains marksman qualities <meaning one shot one kill, not UBER 3927503 MILES>

I mean come on people... is it that hard? There are paintball snipers. There were Japanese snipers in WWII, and they used... what... type-something or other, that kinda gun, that's NOT a "sniper rifle". What is a sniper rifle? I know a marksman's rifle, like a M107, but whatever... some people are wayyyy too specific.

I guess ya gotta be, huh?

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Posted 26 May 2007 - 08:49 PM

If you people knew anything about history, than you would know that the first snipers where in the American Revolution. :laugh:
The whole idea of a paintball sniper is someone who can remain concealed, has great patience, and is a good marksman.
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Posted 26 May 2007 - 09:02 PM

Actually I do know a lot about Sniper History and the entire Military use of such positions. They sure as poo didnt start in America....

The one dude had it right on the money with the scotts...Highlanders in early versions of ghillie suits that were amazing hunters

Now not to be a total a-hole, you were correct in citing the cival war. Accourding to "The Complete Book of U.S. Sniping" by Peter R. Senich will tell you more than one might care to know.

Just dont confuse the history of American Snipers with those that the term originated from in the begining.
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Posted 26 May 2007 - 09:12 PM

:laugh: I am amazed no one has posted: "Why are you beating a dead horse?" Or some crap like that. Usually every post has 4 or 5 of those by now... lol. :happy:

But there have been many topics like this... one such posted by me...

A paintball sniper is different from a military sniper. Although they both are technically just specialized, or skilled rifleman.

I think that instead of making so many topics about what a sniper is, maybe we should establish the definition of a PAINTBALL sniper. And have it pinned or something... That way, people would notice the difference, instead of having a million topics about it, how does that sound?

^ No sarcasm or rudeness, I think its a good idea... what about you?
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Posted 26 May 2007 - 09:19 PM

There will always be those who don't agree, wether it be not agreeing on what a sniper is, or maybe even not agreeing that there can be a "paintball sniper", wether you claim there is a difference between the two or not. Just throwing that in there.

Also, "why are you beating the place where a dead horse used to lay before it was pounded into the ground many many years ago?" :P :rolleyes:
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