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#1 User is offline   Sheriff Matt 

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Posted 19 February 2008 - 06:28 PM

It's only about 45 degrees outside here, and I can't even get through a hopper without my tanks freezing over. Once the tanks are frozen I can't get ANYTHING to go right lol. I've been thinking instead of getting two larger co2 tanks(20oz), palmers stabilizers, and all that other stuff, I might as well just get a scuba tank. It's like 150 bucks for a 110 ci 4500 tank...thats 300 bucks down the drain when I could just get a nice 60CF scuba tank for 170 and a regulator for another 70....I'm starting to get sick of co2...It's time to go bigger I think.

So, I guess what my question is, is how easy is it to lug around a 60cf..ish tank as far as harnesses go? I'm thinking I might get myself some ripstop and nylon strap webbing and make myself a molly sock to strap the tank to my back. Do they make valves with 800PSI regulators for scuba tanks? Or would I have to be stuck with a fill station adapter and a regulator?

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Posted 19 February 2008 - 06:50 PM

CO2 when it's warm, and HPA for the cold. The larger scuba tanks(60-80cf) get a bit heavy if you're on the field for more than 20-30 minutes at a time. Some folks buy the uber-expensive palmer regulator that handles 3000 psi input and others simply attach a small HPA tank to the scuba fill station to act as the reg. Either way works but under 70 degrees outside temp and your CO2 performance goes in the crapper.
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Posted 19 February 2008 - 07:19 PM

I use a CF tank for mine and i carry it in a good quality backpack with padded shoulder straps. I use a fill adapter feed to a 3000psi palmer then a braided steel line to the twins. The biggest problem I have had is that some of the fields and air people down here won't fill my tanks at the games. I have two tanks so I can shoot at least 6 cases of paint before I need to refill the tanks. I have stayed up to 2 hours at a time on the field as long as I take my camel back with me and some jerky.
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Posted 19 February 2008 - 07:58 PM

Well, weight was a tiny bit of a concern. It says the tanks are about 30 pounds empty, but I have no idea how much they weigh full. It wouldn't bother me much to have 45-50 pounds on my back, but it would get a little bit tiresome after a while.

I'm thinking maybe the 48CF tank might be a little bit better. I'd be losing 10-12 pounds but I'd also be losing about 1000 shots.
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Posted 19 February 2008 - 09:35 PM

i got 2 60 cf tanks linked with a manifold and that beast gets heavy, but once youve used it for a few times its easier to deal with. you learn how to stand and walk to accomodate it. if you want i'll sell em to ya. lol.
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Posted 19 February 2008 - 10:39 PM

I believe you can still run the modern day Tippmanns on liquid so long as you have a metal power tube. You just have to have siphon tanks made. The nice thing about running liquid is that the colder it gets, the better they work. You loose a little air efficiency (maybe 100-200 shots on a 20oz tank) but there's no fear of dropoff and velocities will be far more consistent.
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Posted 19 February 2008 - 10:43 PM

View PostIron__Man, on Feb 19 2008, 10:35 PM, said:

i got 2 60 cf tanks linked with a manifold and that beast gets heavy, but once youve used it for a few times its easier to deal with. you learn how to stand and walk to accomodate it. if you want i'll sell em to ya. lol.


lol hmm...well how much for just one?
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Posted 19 February 2008 - 10:56 PM

HPA is slightly more costly to buy the tanks than a similar tank size for C02.

Also, having a place to fill them may be an issue, especially if you don't frequent a field that has a compressor to fill HPA.

I run HPA and I fill my bottle myself. I'm very fortunate to be able to do so, because HPA is the best.

Go HPA if at all possible.

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 08:48 AM

View PostGoliath, on Feb 19 2008, 11:56 PM, said:

HPA is slightly more costly to buy the tanks than a similar tank size for C02.

Also, having a place to fill them may be an issue, especially if you don't frequent a field that has a compressor to fill HPA.

I run HPA and I fill my bottle myself. I'm very fortunate to be able to do so, because HPA is the best.

Go HPA if at all possible.


Yea, the tanks are more costly, but the then again, it costs $5 dollars to fill my 20oz, and $5 dollars to fill a scuba tank. There's a scuba shop not far from here that does 3000 psi fills. If they could go higher I would just get smaller, higher pressure tanks. There doesn't seem to be any place around here that does higher pressure fills.
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Posted 20 February 2008 - 02:13 PM

I though about using at least one of these if I ever made the switch to HPA:

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1.) All tanks are DOT Approved.
2.) -Large Tank-
Displacement: 550 cu. in.
Dry Weight: 11.3 lbs.
Working Pressure: 4500psiq.
Carbon fiber filament wound over aluminum bladder
3.) Large Tank Set includes:
1-DIN Adaptor
1-1/8 mBSP X 1/8mBSP
1-Seal Washer
1-Micro bore hose
1-Valve with built in bleed body and gauge
(eliminating the use of a yoke)
1-1/4 oz. Silicon Lub.
1-Pressure Gauge
1-Large Tank

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Posted 20 February 2008 - 04:39 PM

I don't see anything that mentions it has a pressure regulator on it, so you will need to run one of those downstream if you plan on going with a bulk tank like that.
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Posted 20 February 2008 - 05:31 PM

Wow...you could by 4 scuba tanks for that price of that thing.
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Posted 20 February 2008 - 05:56 PM

View PostPiller, on Feb 19 2008, 10:39 PM, said:

I believe you can still run the modern day Tippmanns on liquid so long as you have a metal power tube. You just have to have siphon tanks made. The nice thing about running liquid is that the colder it gets, the better they work. You loose a little air efficiency (maybe 100-200 shots on a 20oz tank) but there's no fear of dropoff and velocities will be far more consistent.


Its one of only two truly valid reasons to bother replacing the powertube in a Tippmann (the other reason being if you happen to wear out or break the stock powertube). I have successfully done exactly that using my A5. On full auto, generally firing in bursts, I was able to get ~500 shots from a 20oz tank. Dealing with an ice-covered CO2 tank was an entirely different story....


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Posted 20 February 2008 - 08:49 PM

View PostSheriff Matt, on Feb 20 2008, 04:31 PM, said:

Wow...you could by 4 scuba tanks for that price of that thing.


Yea but it weighs under 12lbs.
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Posted 20 February 2008 - 09:27 PM

View PostOrpackrat, on Feb 20 2008, 04:13 PM, said:

I though about using at least one of these if I ever made the switch to HPA:

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1.) All tanks are DOT Approved.
2.) -Large Tank-
Displacement: 550 cu. in.
Dry Weight: 11.3 lbs.
Working Pressure: 4500psiq.
Carbon fiber filament wound over aluminum bladder
3.) Large Tank Set includes:
1-DIN Adaptor
1-1/8 mBSP X 1/8mBSP
1-Seal Washer
1-Micro bore hose
1-Valve with built in bleed body and gauge
(eliminating the use of a yoke)
1-1/4 oz. Silicon Lub.
1-Pressure Gauge
1-Large Tank

$585



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