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Posted 26 April 2008 - 10:54 AM

View PostEskimo, on Apr 26 2008, 10:46 AM, said:

touching. got me right in the heart. B)

he makes alot of points. and I can see were he is coming from. like MOATI said, we have to lead by example.
This is something we can change. The people this man is talking about do not read forums like this one. I honestly could not point out to anyone, somebody on this forum with bad intentions. Because this is so important to us. we have to make this known. to all communities,
A better sport starts with a better player. and its, up to us to lead by example, and prove to everyone that the sport of paintball is not something to manipulate into your own hands.


I got what you are talking about so go to another field not everyone cheats, take some of the Special ops games they dont cheat. And so what if there is a little yelling of bragging that is part of the sport. For me the sport is no mean things just tactics, strategy, taking out your opponent fairly, and using your enemy's weakness for your team's advantage. Like in my magizine people drop of paintabll usually after starting within 18 months of the sport. So try to play a game where u know it is going to be fair. And stay away form speedball if you can, most complaining in speedball is there. Also if you are good enough try to go to special ops paintball team they do not cheat.
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Posted 26 April 2008 - 10:58 AM

It does seem that more and more players are playing to "win" not playing for fun and the love of the sport. And they don't care how they get there, as long as they can brag about how good they are and how many games they win. It is true about any hobby or sport though. It's not paintballers, it's people.
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Posted 26 April 2008 - 11:09 AM

By giving up and just walking away he's just taking the easy way out. He needs to stand up and grow a pair. To me it's best summed up by the song Hands Held High by Linkin Park - "Jump when they tell us they want to see jumping. Screw that. I want to see some fist pumping. Risk something. Take back what's yours. Say something that you know they might attack you for. I'm sick of being treated like I have before. Like I'm stupid standing for what I'm standing for."
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 07:45 AM

YALL ARE GETTING IT NOW! we gotta get people fired up about this! thats the best way to help fix this problem! GET FIRED UP! GET YOUR FRIENDS FIRED UP! GET EVERYBODY READY TO GO! CAUSE WE ARE GONA FIX THIS NOW!
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Posted 27 April 2008 - 08:06 AM

View PostSNIPER TY, on Apr 27 2008, 09:45 AM, said:

YALL ARE GETTING IT NOW! we gotta get people fired up about this! thats the best way to help fix this problem! GET FIRED UP! GET YOUR FRIENDS FIRED UP! GET EVERYBODY READY TO GO! CAUSE WE ARE GONA FIX THIS NOW!



I'm already fired up it would heart me so bad to see paintball fall to a few idiots who forget it's just a game we need to teach the younger kids and we need to start now, and some of it should be blamed on the field owners as well in the past field owner were more strict now it's just about the money for most.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 08:46 AM

View Postoutlaw-master, on Apr 27 2008, 11:06 AM, said:

View PostSNIPER TY, on Apr 27 2008, 09:45 AM, said:

YALL ARE GETTING IT NOW! we gotta get people fired up about this! thats the best way to help fix this problem! GET FIRED UP! GET YOUR FRIENDS FIRED UP! GET EVERYBODY READY TO GO! CAUSE WE ARE GONA FIX THIS NOW!



I'm already fired up it would heart me so bad to see paintball fall to a few idiots who forget it's just a game we need to teach the younger kids and we need to start now, and some of it should be blamed on the field owners as well in the past field owner were more strict now it's just about the money for most.


you are right. the field owners should be more strict and stop thinking about the money all the time but you have to take into account that it is much harder to run a field now than it was even just a few years ago. all the prices have gone up (paint, rentals, air/Co2, licenses, insurance, all of that) but the owners of the field should be aware of what is going on around their facility and act on it accordingly.
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Posted 28 April 2008 - 11:05 AM

I think the first step is encouraging people like this (the person who quit and made the original post) not to quit in the first place. Like the saying goes, "Quitters never win." Well, this guy quit, so he clearly didn't win. Even worse, he lost my respect. He could be doing something about the problem but instead he has become part of the problem by not using his 23 years of experience to help educate the new players. Now he's just a winer and a quitter. Maybe that's a bit harsh, but that's how I see it.

I do my best to teach the new and inexperienced players whenever I'm out on the field. We had a group of guys come out once a couple weeks ago who had not played much. They were the only people at the field that day. The rest of us were Ghost Recon. First game we played we cleaned up. Instead of getting a big head about it, or bragging, we pulled them off the field and tought them what they did wrong and how to counter everything we did while they were on the field. Guess what happened the second game? They beat us. Badly. A complete reversal after only about five minutes of explaining field tactics. We continued to coach them throughout the day, mixed up teams a couple times, and all around had an awesome day of play.

That's what I expect people to do to "fix the problem," as it were. Teach people. If you're an experienced player, don't just go out to the field and clean house. If you beat someone, tell them why you won and how to counter the tactics you used. The more they learn the better they'll become. If they can win games, they'll have fun. If they can win games without cheating, they won't cheat. Even better, by making them a better player you'll have more competition which will in turn allow you to learn how to become a better player. If all we ever do is play the newbies, we'll never become better ourselves.

That's my $0.02 on the subject. Now go out there and show them how it's done!

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 12:44 PM

It sucks to hear about guys quitting the sport :P Best we can do is lead by example. Next time you are out on a field and you see someone cheat, or do something stupid, talk to them about it. Fields could probably use more refs during a game. At the field I play at, there is only 1 or 2 on the field at a time. Hopefully someday the liars and cheaters will get the point. Paintball is a sport and a game. You wouldnt cheat during a hockey or baseball game, so why cheat in paintball?
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Posted 29 April 2008 - 09:33 AM

View PostBlueDragonX, on Apr 28 2008, 02:05 PM, said:

I think the first step is encouraging people like this (the person who quit and made the original post) not to quit in the first place. Like the saying goes, "Quitters never win." Well, this guy quit, so he clearly didn't win. Even worse, he lost my respect. He could be doing something about the problem but instead he has become part of the problem by not using his 23 years of experience to help educate the new players. Now he's just a winer and a quitter. Maybe that's a bit harsh, but that's how I see it.

I do my best to teach the new and inexperienced players whenever I'm out on the field. We had a group of guys come out once a couple weeks ago who had not played much. They were the only people at the field that day. The rest of us were Ghost Recon. First game we played we cleaned up. Instead of getting a big head about it, or bragging, we pulled them off the field and tought them what they did wrong and how to counter everything we did while they were on the field. Guess what happened the second game? They beat us. Badly. A complete reversal after only about five minutes of explaining field tactics. We continued to coach them throughout the day, mixed up teams a couple times, and all around had an awesome day of play.

That's what I expect people to do to "fix the problem," as it were. Teach people. If you're an experienced player, don't just go out to the field and clean house. If you beat someone, tell them why you won and how to counter the tactics you used. The more they learn the better they'll become. If they can win games, they'll have fun. If they can win games without cheating, they won't cheat. Even better, by making them a better player you'll have more competition which will in turn allow you to learn how to become a better player. If all we ever do is play the newbies, we'll never become better ourselves.

That's my $0.02 on the subject. Now go out there and show them how it's done!


THAT IS AWSOME!!! THAT IS EXACTLY THE WAY THINGS SHOULD BE!!! IF EVERYBODY DID THAT THE WORLD WOULD BE A BETTER PLACE!!! i dont know if the world would be a better place... but we could get pretty **** close!!! KEEP IT UP YALL!!!
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Posted 07 June 2008 - 05:02 PM

I think this is were we have to expand our thoughts.

things said before:
Talking to people who cheat, not yelling at them. that starts arguments.
Expand into speedball. yes if you have an an arena around you and you go play this is were you can really impact things.
Go play have fun and mask of all be a sport.
Teach people
If they can win games without cheating, they won't cheat.

but the jest of this is that we cannot hide in the woods and tell everyone to be a good player, and then keep hiding, we have to show people like before lead by example.
Well, its about time we lead into the open, Lead to were everyone will see a good paintball game

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Posted 26 June 2008 - 09:59 AM

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that is not what i am saying at all! not everyone that has been played with honor and respect will decide to leave because of those that do not play this sport like it should be played all i am saying is that we need to take back our sport and teach the younger, newer players respect, honor and good sportsmanship. we all love this game and we should be able to have fun with it andnot have to deal with those that just play to push the envelope and to have the privalige to say that they are a paintballer. because it is a privalige, many countrys can not play this sport and we need to defend what we love. because in the future, if things keep going down hill, eventualy we could loose the right to legaly play paintball. protect the sport because you love it and teach others by example to do the same!
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I agree wholeheartedly to everyone that believes the first sentence in this paragraph that sniper ty put up!
I think players need to start teaching younger players that is pretty messed up to go around stealing paint and then denying it as well as swearing at your elders at public events. let alone the fact theyre in charge at the event for the team chain of command.....
I think if people want to help make a difference, they'll seriously start trying to do something about it.
Thats one of the main reasons I started the Phoenix Coalition.
Theres posts started about that in the brigade forums....
anyway, i love paintball and if it hadnt been for the sport last year, due to some outside personal things that had happened, i probably would have offed myself....but i didnt because i had something to look forward to every weekend.....teaching and helping paintball players get better and working with my team and organizing events, etc.....
so i think it can go both ways in everything we do in life....its either bad for some people or good.
the question is though, whats everyone going to do about it?

im doing something but i cant do it ll by myself......

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Posted 05 July 2008 - 12:03 AM

My home feild is far from proffesional, but it seems to me, the bigger and more professional the feilds get, the worse the regulars get about these kind of things. Of course thats not always the case, but at my feild, we don't even have a Ref. The only Employee is the owner. We have games of 10 on 10, and everyone calls themselves out, and has respect for the other players. Most of the regulars are new players, that are younger.

After reading these posts, I'm quite proud that these kids from our feild have learned to play the game how it's supposed to be.
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Posted 05 July 2008 - 01:34 AM

there will always be a player that will cheat to win. period. Even if it is unnecessary. Part of it can be inexperience and part can be straight up cheating. Anyone who has been bonus balled, hit by someone shooting hot or seen someone wipe gets mad about it. The difference for me is that it stresses the importance of being a good sport instead of making me give up the sport. If someone told me to leave for no good reason I would probably raise hell instead of giving up and going home.

Your fate is not known if you act but your fate is known if you decide to do nothing.

Maybe we should do something. The "10 things I hate about noobs" post seems to be a start. Leading by example is the easiest way to go. Should there be a test/program/psa about playing with honor? Maybe the fields should come up with one.

on a side note: this guy played for 23 years and just now found cheaters? I find one everytime I go out to play. If he is just mad because of the way he was treated online then he must be pretty sensitive. (i am not trying to bash the guy but there are so many alternatives to giving up)
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Posted 05 July 2008 - 06:14 AM

If you quit, all you are doing is giving the cheaters free reign over your sport or hobby. When I was a kid, we had kids among us who would cheat, and we had a simple solution...we just stopped inviting them to play with us, or we excluded them. Sooner or later they got the message, and moved on to something else, or got with the program. If you want someone to get with the program, you can't make it personal...focus on the behavior you want to change, not the person.

There are more people out there that don't cheat, as opposed to those who do...but if you go around with a chip on your shoulder or vendetta against those that do, that's probably all you'll see. Within this forum alone, there are hundreds of people on Chicken-Little and Don Quixote-type campaigns against some travesty, unjustice, or infraction of some type or another. That attitude is just as bad or worse than that of the cheaters or spoil-sports. If you maintain that position, you're doing more to ruin the sport for yourself and others than the proportionately fewer cheaters.

Some people cheat, and some more than others...that's an unpleasant fact. But you have to learn to deal with it, or just stay in your bed all day and be alone and quiet with your own dark thoughts.
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 05:27 AM

I would like to personaly thank everyone who has helped make this sport a better enviroment and i encourage yall to keep it up. we are realy makin headway here and i belive we are doin the right thing. so again: thank you and keep it up.

:) SNIPER TY :P
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