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#1 User is offline   PhunkyMunky 

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Posted 07 June 2008 - 06:20 AM

Sorry, but I have a mini-rant for ya. It peeves me when someone tries to tell you how to do your job when they work in a comletely different field.

Last night my partner and I broke up a fight at the drunk tank. The fight was apparently about one guy trying to get into another guys pockets, or maybe he was trying to feel the guy up, who knows. So, the offender I'll call "John", and the other guy, I'll call pete. Anyway, John has had previous issues in the facility. He once peed on someone, which resulted in a fight. Another occation, john tried to feel someone up, and got a nice big fist in return.

Same deal last night. Pete's the guy who's always chill, no matter what. He keeps fairly clean, keeps his hair short, an I have a strong suspicion he's been in the military, telling by his general demeanor.

So, my partner and I hear some commotion in the general population room, and see that Pete is kicking the crap out of John. My partner shoots into there and I get squeezed between a fat guy and a skinny hippy chick. By the time I pushed my way through, my partner's already got ahold of Pete and shoving his face into the floor saying the "get on the ground" bit. He's got that. So I go and get John up, and tell him to go to a differen room to talk.

The long short of it is that there were several witnesses in the room saying that John was doing something to Pete and Pete woke up with a "What the hell you doing" and then proceeded to fight. So we get pete back in to general population and john gets to leave (it's not a jail). John decide he was going to stay, and my partner and I each grab an arm to escort him out.

Here's where my issue comes from. John decides to resist the escort, so my partner an I get rough with him and start dragging the guy out. Then John says "Ok Ok I'll go!" and my partner and I keep pulling him to the door. The EMT Says at this point "Ok guys he said he'd go, leave him alone now". We ignore it of course, and finish getting done what needs done.

Well, First of all, I don't go telling an EMT how to do their job. That's why they're in the field they're in. They've been trained in all that Medic stuff. So IMO an EMT has no business telling me how to do my job. I'm trained in how to do my job. The pay sucks, but it's what I do. And second of all, and I had to tell the EMT this, That's the oldest trick in the book. You've got the better of someone and they say "Ok, I give up" and as soon as you let them go... POW! He's nailed you and you get to fight him all over again. Hell, I'VE used that one before.

Anyway, it's irritating to have someone who knows nothing of what you do try and tell you how to do your job.
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Posted 07 June 2008 - 06:28 AM

Welllll... in all fairness
we as emt's have "Do no more harm" and all that happy horse poo drilled into us... it just kind of happens that by instinct whenever we see someone being roughly handled, we pipe up with a "hey be gentle and remember theyre people" bit... its just normal for us. its not like we're gonna get all upset if you dont comply (USUALLY there are some weird emt's out there), it just comes out. of course you know your job better... and that is the oldest trick in the book. just remember he wasnt doing it to show you up or anything
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Posted 07 June 2008 - 07:38 AM

Some people have never been in a physical altercation and don't know ow to deal with it. I would guess the EMT is one of them.

Becc is right about the "Do no harm" bit. Sets us apart from the criminals I guess, but still annoying.

Saying I Give Up is one of the oldest tricks in the book. But you knew that.

People have no idea of what policing consists of.

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Posted 07 June 2008 - 08:09 AM

Hey, I am a government employee. I have the whole world telling me how to do my job, so I can completely sympathize. In fact I would go so far as to say you haven't really experienced it yet.
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Posted 07 June 2008 - 08:17 AM

:D I've been the butt end of it before. The government is the WORSE culprit, I'll give you that!
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Posted 07 June 2008 - 09:05 AM

Even if you did let the guy go so he could walk out on his own and he didn't hit you, there's still the possibility that he could have taken a couple steps toward the door then came right back in and started more chaos. That's what the less violent drunks tend to do (i've done a little night club security). You just can't have that crap. And I know from experience too, that it's annoying as all hell when people try to tell you how to do something that they themselves really have no clue about.
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Posted 07 June 2008 - 10:35 AM

Maybe the EMT wasn't sure if you heard him? :rolleyes:

And maybe they didn't want you to hurt him anymore cause they'd have to do the repairs :P

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Posted 07 June 2008 - 04:55 PM

I know how Phunky feels, Ive been told by numerous people "to do my job"...my response "do you wanna do my job?"...theyre response Total Silence.
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Posted 07 June 2008 - 05:31 PM

Yeah I get 1-3 of those people a day at Kroger (asst Grocery Manager/Frozen lead). They insist I need to "refine" my ordering technique even thou with 458 seperate items I have single digit out of stocks (mostly due to warehouse shortages). A few customers went on long enough about it it required the attention of the store mananger and eventually ended upwith me handing the Telson (Handheld computer used to aid ordering) to the customer and telling them to give it a try. The result a blank face on the customer and the manager holding back chuckles.
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Posted 07 June 2008 - 07:41 PM

Major props to you Maj Tom. I would pay to see the look of that customer's face.
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Posted 08 June 2008 - 01:03 PM

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Even if you did let the guy go so he could walk out on his own and he didn't hit you, there's still the possibility that he could have taken a couple steps toward the door then came right back in and started more chaos. That's what the less violent drunks tend to do (i've done a little night club security). You just can't have that crap. And I know from experience too, that it's annoying as all hell when people try to tell you how to do something that they themselves really have no clue about.


Exactly. I've told them time and again to stop doing my job. That would be like telling them that just because a guy is throwing up, they should be putting him on a backboard. The thing is, you're dealing with drunks, exclusively. So, their capasity to produce a rational thought is impared, and so, when you're escorting them out and they're angry, you HAVE to force them along. Being nice about it half the time just doesn't work.

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And maybe they didn't want you to hurt him anymore cause they'd have to do the repairs


Maybe LOL. But, we weren't hurting him. We just got ahold of each of his arms, lifted (restricting his ability to use his feet to resist) and sort of carried/dragged him out the door, giving him a bit of a shove (creating space between him and the door).

My partner wanted to just go back inside after, but I followed the guy out to the street. I felt that if I hadn't showed my resolve to get him off the property, he would have kept returning. Alot of these guys get put out and then refuse to leave, telling us to "Call the cops". These are usually the ones who are homeless. Doing so would be doing them a favor, which I'm not inclined to do. At least not when they're acting up and being ungreatfull. This drunk tank isn't a jail. It's ot run by the City, and only contracts with the county. It's run by a nonprifit company, and is there to help those who can't help themselves while they're intoxicated. They are by no means obligated to take abuse by their "clients".

As for Maj. Tom, I think that's great. I've done that sort of thing in the Hotel industry (I was a Front Desk Agent, the guy who checks you in, for Double Tree for a minute). One time I had this woman walk up, after I had repeatedly said quite loudly, "Next Guest Please". On this particular day we had checked out about 85 guests and were filling those 850 rooms by the time this woman came up to me. The line went out the front door and around the corner of the building. So, I'm saying "Next Guest" and this woman ignores me for about 5 minutes untill I I said "Nevermind then, would the people behind her come on up please". She then turns around and walks up spelling her name. I keep my composure, tying the name into the computer, and find that she doesn't have reservations under that spelling. I tell her I have to check to see if it's under a different spelling (Something like Smyth rather then Smith) and she tells me "What, are you people stupid? Are you so retarded that you can't get my name right? You're a BOINKing moron!" and I'm telling her to please calm down, I found her reservations under a different spelling. She continues to abuse me, telling me she doesn't understand how I've lived as long as I have and that I'm an obvious example that evolution has been stunted. Finally, I loose my cool, while she's busy trying to tell me she wants to talk to my idiot manager, and yell "Keith (the Manager), can you come out here and square this female dog away? I'm tired of her BOINKing mouth and she's lucky I don't simply knock her out". This finally stopped her. She looked at me like "How DARE you!" which she said just that shortly after. I said something about how even the high and mighty have their trailer trash, and that she needed to go to the back of the line, I surely wasn't checking her in right now. I then asked the person behind her to come on up, ignoring her remarks about MY rudeness. The manager finally came out and took her asside, checking her in himself.

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Posted 08 June 2008 - 02:48 PM

View PostEvil Fingers, on Jun 8 2008, 12:55 AM, said:

I know how Phunky feels, Ive been told by numerous people "to do my job"...my response "do you wanna do my job?"...theyre response Total Silence.



Yeah I have had those situations before.
I only work in a restaurant, but some people are such butts.
And some of the people I work with are just as damn arrogant.

I sympathize for ya Phunky, and anyone else who has to put up with that sort of crap, it's not cool, and it's demoralizing sometimes too. =\

Kick em square in the nuts next time. :happy:



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Posted 08 June 2008 - 03:49 PM

as general patton once said "don't tell someone how to do something tell them what to do and be amazed by thier enginuity" not 100% relevent but it is kind of a cool quote

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Posted 08 June 2008 - 04:12 PM

I worked at a local ski hill for a while (teaching)

My god, I hate parents. I had someone try to explain to me that they should get a refund because their kid failed

The reason he failed-The parent was standing there the whole time giving the kid bad tips.

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Posted 08 June 2008 - 05:43 PM

I have to agree totally with Pete in this case how bad was John beat up?

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