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Post icon  Posted 19 March 2010 - 01:12 PM

I'm superbly ticked off.

As many of you might know, I work for the Department of Corrections. I just completed 16 hours of "training" - training that in my opinion, completely negates the very reason for a prison or jail system.

Our facility is actively moving towards "IBM" - Inmate Behavioral Management. This theory replaces the "housing them [only]" mentality with a "give them stuff to do for rewards" ideology. In my opinion, we are going to reward them for doing what they are supposed to do in the first place. The facility rules are spelled out in the inmate handbook. My opinion - follow them or be reprimanded. Their opinion - reward them for voluntary compliance.

Another aspect of this IBM is to "walk around and get to know them [the inmates]. Be friendly to them. Ask them how their day is going" WHAT!?? i don't WANT to know them. I didn't come to this job to make friends with criminals...and I could give two craps how their day is going.

The idea surrounds "give them goals to work for"...like cleaning blocks/housing units and reward them with late-nights, pizza parties and all that crap. Why? "To reduce the amount of incidents in the facility."

Two housing units, one male, one female, are already on this program and they claim "it's working perfectly." Their theory is flawed and they skew their reasons. At the time they introduced this "new idea", we, on SRT, completed our training with Taser and FN303 devices. Both Taser and 303s had been deployed on inmates several times during the introduction of this new "IBM" idea.

First and foremost, female inmates tend to be more compliant to instruction because of gender. This is not to say anything stereotypical or slanderous towards women. Their housing units are staffed with female officers but when 'back-up' is called, male officers respond...male officers who have demonstrated that regardless of the inmate's gender, we will force compliance one way or another. Female inmates are treated no differently than male inmates because REGARDLESS of gender, genuine threats are always present.

Male inmates on the other hand, are some of the most aggressive individuals due to testosterone and size. We use force on a weekly basis. When we had to run into a cell unarmed, people got hurt. Now that we have LL devices at our disposal, minimum incidents - and thus injuries - have been reported.

The administrators think their compliance is due to the IBM dung - we maintain it's because they [the inmates] now know we have [and will use] the pain-compliance devices we now posses.

In their clouded judgement, the next "block" to get the IBM is the diaper sniper block. That's right...child molesters.

I have a HUGE problem with this. How would the victims, the victim's families feel if/when they found out that their attackers/accused attackers are now getting pizza parties, late nights, "movie" nights - for doing what they were supposed to be doing in the first place?

After the molesters, it's the Max unit. These are 60 of the most violent offenders we have. Their charges include rape, drug delivery, homicide, gang related violence and assault to [police] officers [among others]. Throw them a party? Are you effing nuts???

RHU - these are the a-holes that we can't even put on the Max unit. give them more out time? Are you freaking kidding me???


Our job is Care, Custody and Control....not Creatively Coddle the Criminal.
We are to oversee them with Fair, Firm and Consistent attitudes...not Fondle the Flagrant Criminal.

Bull.

To make it worse, the Director [unofficially] threatened our jobs by saying "This is the system we are moving to. Those of you who actively resist this system will be dealt with accordingly."

What?!?

Ok Director...so when you are standing on a block, taken hostage with a 6" shank to your throat, I should be polite and ask them to put it down and I'll get them a slice of Pizza? Why don't we just hand them the effing jail keys while we are at it?

God, I HATE pacifist, inmate coddling, feel-good Liberals [that's what our administration is] who think NOTHING about security for the officers and staff.
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 01:49 PM

1.Taze the director.
2.Plant drugs and bribe money in his office.
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4.Profit.
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 01:51 PM

I also work in Corrections, and I mostly agree with your rant. I trained at a prison where the "good inmates" got Xbox 360's, their own personal TVs, radios, etc. I think it's kind of retarded. Why give them cool stuff? They're in there for a reason. It's a Correctional facility. For CORRECTING (or attempting to) the inmates and their past behavior. But it doesn't quite seem like that anymore.

However, with that said, I can also understand why some people want to go this IBM route. I figure they think that if the inmates have something to occupy their minds, they're not sitting there thinking of how to make a new shank, explosive, riot, etc. I see both pros and cons to both sides of your rant.

I guess the question is: Which is more desired: Keeping bad guys away from the public, and CO's a little bit safer by babying the inmates,

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Keeping bad guys away from the public, "punishing" them, pissing them off, and creating a bit more of a hostility for inmates and CO's.

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 01:52 PM

I know you say that in jest [mostly] but this has me so mad I want to punch kittens....
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 01:56 PM

To me it depends on what level of corrections your prison is. Maximum to me should be militarized. Medium or minimum should be more relaxed.



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Posted 19 March 2010 - 02:00 PM

I hear ya...several of my team-mates are Alameda County Sheriff Deputies who work at the max. security county facility in Oakland. They tell some...interesting...stories.

The corrections system IS pretty messed up...inmates who could actually benefit from genuine rehabilitation programs cant get them, and the thugs who just need be locked away get treated with kid-gloves. Everybody seems to get the opposite of what they need...
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 02:01 PM

View PostLoD, on Mar 19 2010, 04:51 PM, said:

I also work in Corrections, and I mostly agree with your rant. I trained at a prison where the "good inmates" got Xbox 360's, their own personal TVs, radios, etc. I think it's kind of retarded. Why give them cool stuff? They're in there for a reason. It's a Correctional facility. For CORRECTING (or attempting to) the inmates and their past behavior. But it doesn't quite seem like that anymore.
It is the punishment for crimes committed in society.
Where is the punishment? In this setting, there is NONE...other than "lock in"

However, with that said, I can also understand why some people want to go this IBM route. I figure they think that if the inmates have something to occupy their minds, they're not sitting there thinking of how to make a new shank, explosive, riot, etc. I see both pros and cons to both sides of your rant.

You cannot change the nature of an poop shooter. Recidivism rates prove that. You cannot force a person to change their behavior unless THEY want to change it...now...what incentive is there to stay OUT of prison? Absolutely NONE.

I guess the question is: Which is more desired: Keeping bad guys away from the public, and CO's a little bit safer by babying the inmates,

or

Keeping bad guys away from the public, "punishing" them, pissing them off, and creating a bit more of a hostility for inmates and CO's.

[color="#FF0000"]How about Keeping them locked in until they HAVE to get out...and then only letting a few out at a time and our numbers being greater than those "out" - forces compliance because they are "outnumbered and outguned"..........?/color]


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View Postslinkyaroo, on Mar 19 2010, 04:56 PM, said:

To me it depends on what level of corrections your prison is. Maximum to me should be militarized. Medium or minimum should be more relaxed.
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We have it all...minimum through Max and then Ad Seg.

I don't agree at all - not with coddling them, not even minimum custody. There's no incentive to staying OUT of prison.
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 02:03 PM

three hots and a cot .... and now you get an xbox too ?

i need to go rob a bank ... :dry:
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 09:14 PM

ugh. Druid. this pisses me off too. Seriously i should just go do some stupid crap and go to jail. I wouldnt have to work my ass off everyday to attempt to pay my bills, and id get free pizza, movie nights, and an xbox for being "good".
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 10:05 PM

Taze the entire FRAGing facility dude.
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 11:00 PM

That REALLY sucks. I love to hear that federal money is going to a "'Box for the box" program.

Maximum security... I don't even know why we have maximum security. They're obviously too much of a menace to society once they're at the stage.
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Posted 19 March 2010 - 11:33 PM

Does their program look like a good idea on paper? Sure...

Does it make sense in any stretch of the word for any practicality? Not at all.

Its just like communism :P It looks good till someone actually tries it, then it fails.

Isn't the reason they're in jail in the first place because they couldn't follow rules?

If the consequence in the first place is that they lose their freedom, why would losing some pizza make ANY difference to them?

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 11:52 PM

View PostThe Stuntman, on Mar 19 2010, 04:00 PM, said:

The corrections system IS pretty messed up...inmates who could actually benefit from genuine rehabilitation programs cant get them, and the thugs who just need be locked away get treated with kid-gloves. Everybody seems to get the opposite of what they need...


This. My parents have been conducting a prison ministry for over 25 years. I've been involved with it my entire life. Now unlike some ministries, we're not the "get saved and get out" kind of group. While we are against capital punishment, we support more difficult sentences. Not longer ones, harder ones. Remember they used to add "with hard labor" to sentences? And they meant it. Not anymore. The problem with prisons is that they ARE about housing inmates. The stuff Dru mentioned is pacification so that their time can pass peacefully. No incidents, no problems, happy wardens. Without inmates or guards getting hurt, it looks like they are doing their jobs.

In fact they are not. The system is supposed to rehabilitate prisoners into functioning members of society. But every budget cut that occurs for prisons results in cuts to programs, and usually the most effective ones get cut first. In Nebraska, offenders used to have access to community college courses which would help them get jobs once they got out. Sure, it may seem like a "treat" but that was one thing that would actually help people stay out. Not X-Boxes.

I'm much more in favor of the types of punishment found in Singapore. An American kid was caught stealing property, stealing traffic signs, tagging cars, and a few other things. His sentence? The Bamboo Cane. He was supposed to receive 7 lashes. The uproar of the international community got it commuted to like 3. But it is an effective deterrent. Even the death penalty here is not as effective. Their crime rate is FAR lower than ours, and they have a much higher population density. Yet, they are able to send their kids out in public without fear. I met an 11 and 9 year old boy and girl this week who ride the public transportation system ALONE to go to school every day. That's pretty good.

The Caning punishment is pretty intense. Apparently it breaks skin to the point of requiring stitches. So once that happens, they halt the punishment, sew the offender back up, and give him time to heal. Then they do it again, until he has received his alloted lashes. It could take months to complete 10 lashes. But I tell you what. You won't be committing the same crime again.

View PostFenrisulfr, on Mar 20 2010, 01:00 AM, said:

Maximum security... I don't even know why we have maximum security. They're obviously too much of a menace to society once they're at the stage.


I disagree. I know people who committed crimes for which they were sent to max facilities. Granted, a lot of them are bad dudes. But not all of them. For some, it was their first and only crime. One of my best friends spent half of his sentence in a max facility. He later was able to transfer to a medium/minimum, and got out after serving his time. He's a good guy, and he contributes to society. I'm not saying he's the rule; certainly he is the exception. But, personally, I prefer to sift the bad to find the good before it is merely cast away.
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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:17 AM

Do they still do the public ass-whippin' sessions too?
I know when I was over there a few years back, one of the guys we met invited us to one. Apparently some guy that had stolen, then totaled his family car was getting out of that hardcore prison (where they actually eat nothing but bread and water...though that is some good bread). Anyway, the guy and a couple other people were allowed to kick his butt when he got out. Basically as a "This is what happens when you steal my stuff".

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:26 AM

I dunno about the public thing.....but man would that be nice. Not killin them......but seriously making them think twice before doing it again.

Oh.....and they don't have much of a drug problem over there......know why? 'Cause the amount over here that you get short jail time for.....carries a death sentence over there.......
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