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#46 User is offline   Schloob 

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Posted 17 October 2008 - 09:07 AM

You're absolutely right. Curtis has been a huge help and support to the SPPL and I respect him and his judgment 100%. Curtis and I have had long discussions in the past about how we want the league to be ran. Enforcing calls was always at the top of the list. As I said in an earlier post, it was wrong and won't happen again and I take full responsibility for it.


I respect that everybody wants the details of what happened but it doesn't really matter. What matters is that a call was overturned which undermined Curtis's judgment and the credibility of the league. Just so everyone here knows, Curtis is my voice on the field and I trust his judgment and support him completely. Curtis I am sorry the call was overturned and I will make sure it doesn't happen again. Once again, the fact the call was overturned is my fault since I have empowered my help to make decisions since I can't be everywhere at once. Unfortunately, the decision made wasn't correct. So I will train my staff better in the future.

And finally, everyone please listen up. You're all free to get on these forums and say anything you would like about me. Good or bad, I don't care. I have thick skin and I can handle it. What I won't allow though is for anyone here to disparage another person, player or team. IF it happens I will delete the post. No one should have to get on these forums and defend themselves or their character. The SPPL is about Sportsmanship on the field but Sportsmanship always pertains to our off the field actions as well. So please, keep the comments positive and upbeat. If you have to knock anyone, feel free to take shots at me. But please don't do it to anyone else.
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Posted 17 October 2008 - 11:02 AM

So, moving on to the original topic of this post, from my position as a Head Ref, things seemed to go pretty well this weekend. I can only think of 2 major issues on my field and both of those were handled with only one person not liking me (and he's not even a player) so, pretty decent. While I did have to give out a couple Playing On and Out of Bounds penalties, both of those were, in the opinion of myself and my refs, unintentional and thus given as minor a penalty as allowed.

A huge thanks to all the teams who played good, clean games and especially to all my refs who chose to show up Sunday morning even with the downpour from the sky.

To those who had to play back-to-back games, I have started some research of my own towards designing some simple tournament scheduling software to eliminate this issue with the exception of Semi- and Finals games.
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Posted 17 October 2008 - 03:45 PM

View PostThirdI, on Oct 17 2008, 11:02 AM, said:

So, moving on to the original topic of this post, from my position as a Head Ref, things seemed to go pretty well this weekend. I can only think of 2 major issues on my field and both of those were handled with only one person not liking me (and he's not even a player) so, pretty decent. While I did have to give out a couple Playing On and Out of Bounds penalties, both of those were, in the opinion of myself and my refs, unintentional and thus given as minor a penalty as allowed.

A huge thanks to all the teams who played good, clean games and especially to all my refs who chose to show up Sunday morning even with the downpour from the sky.

To those who had to play back-to-back games, I have started some research of my own towards designing some simple tournament scheduling software to eliminate this issue with the exception of Semi- and Finals games.


Well i think all refs need to be part of the captains and player meetings so they know whats going on on their fields. Third I on your field you let a team that was shot into their dead box with the dirty bomb break out and place the dirty bomb. Thus securing their flag for the last 10min of the game. Also the refs should be in those meetings so they don't run their field different from the rules and different from whats put out at the meetings. i.e. like in 8.0 of the rules it says the commander can check in an objective with a Field Ref. So then when your playing and the ref says no you need to take this to your dead box, because he made up his own rules. You can say no remember what was put out at the meetings the objective is checked in with a field ref. Also with refs attending the meetings one field won't be running different than the other two at world championships.

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Posted 17 October 2008 - 04:16 PM

View PostToad152, on Oct 17 2008, 03:45 PM, said:

Yet you will do the very same thing to me. So here we go with the he said she said thing.

I was not even involved in the call at the swing base. Could not have made the call, as I was 100+- feet away at the time watching another player. What got my attention was when Skip came out of the carpet fort kicking rocks and swearing like a long shoreman on a 3-day binge.

I hobbled over to him to assess the penalty and asked for his name, he swore again, I asked for his name and player card, he then sore at me directly calling me M-Fing B****. after another round of swear words, He then took off his player card and threw it in the opposite direction, in the process of pulling his card off, he also took off his mask; I asked him to put it on, again more words and threats. At that point he was so upset he became a real safety concern. I asked him to put his mask back on he again swore at me. I asked him to leave the field.

One of the other refs retrieved his card and brought it to me. I fell in behind him as we walked back to dead box. If anyone noticed this weekend I have a limp when I walk, and on the way back I was walking behind him, I stumbled on a rock or branch and bumped into his arm, tired to explaine what happend , but he exploded and told me if I ever laid a hand on him he would Fíing kill me. At that point I had little choice but to ejected him from the event.

By the time we got back to the dead box he was totally out of his mind with rage. He dared me to throw a punch, he pumped faked a like he was going to throw one to provoke me; he called me every foul name in the book. I asked him several times to leave the field, he would not comply. I tried again but, He simply would not leave the field. Finally I called into the dead box and asked for the team caption to remove him from the field. I had to get back to the game and left.

My concern was to get him of the field for his own safety and for those around him. I let him know he was being give 50 points in penalties then I recorded three language and two unsportsmanlike conduct penalties against GTF and made note he had been ejected on the score sheet.

I was up set and talking in a loud voice ( I have a loud voice), never was I out of control. Never did I lay a hand on him or provoked him. I had no reason too; He could have just taken the swearing penalty and walked away, or better yet just walked off after the being called out without swearing. But instead he chose to verbally attack a referee and then make physical threats. Frankly I am grateful I was there, if it had been one of the younger members of my crew he may have actually assaulted them.

You can white wash this any way you want too. You can blame his action on me if you want too. But the fact off the matter is he lost it on the field. He chose his words and his actions. The really sad thing....he was allowed to continue to play. (heavy sigh)


A player has no right to act like that regardless of the call. The rules are there to protect the players and the referees. As referees we canít have players making physical threats against us, we canít be on the field concerned we might take one in the back of the head or neck at point blank range because some player didnít like a call we made.


So only 3 cussing pent. and GTF finished only 4 points ahead of FTF (screwed to fourth) in final standings. After two amends had been changed on their score cards.
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Posted 17 October 2008 - 04:45 PM

View PostToad152, on Oct 17 2008, 05:16 PM, said:

So only 3 cussing pent. and GTF finished only 4 points ahead of FTF (screwed to fourth) in final standings.
After two amends had been changed on their score cards.


Yup 50 Points. Some think it was excessive, other say it was to light. I think it fit the bill just fine.

If you are referring to the penelity in which I marked in the wrong spot on the score sheet, I think we have
addressed that. Simple mistake, verified with both teams and corrected, it really had nothing to do with FTF
It was between GTF and FD. Sounds like sour grapes to me.
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Posted 17 October 2008 - 06:01 PM

I know that I had a wonderful weekend. Yeah, the weather was a bit wet, but eh, no biggy. Of course, this coming from someone that lives and plays up in Seattle.

The only real issues that I had were the limited fare of the BBQ, which was great in and of itself, and the fact that the final game for the Masters was pretty much played in the dark. Now this does not affect me, but for those that were playing it, it really is not that fair in my book.

But overall, despite the drama that happened, and it happened more than once folks, and for more reasons that you would care to imagine, it was a great weekend.

Oh, and Smart Corps, we waited two years to finally play you guys, and even though it was close, and the second game against you guys was a loss for us, we were still the first team to beat you guys :P .


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Posted 18 October 2008 - 09:19 AM

Well, I wish I could have Been there with Forest Fire. Work got in the way at Boeing due to the Strike. However I have been seeing things all over town that tell me, Forest Fire had a great time. Maybe I should have my Eyes checked. However I took my Camera with me...so see for your self.

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Posted 18 October 2008 - 03:17 PM

View PostToad152, on Oct 17 2008, 03:45 PM, said:

Well i think all refs need to be part of the captains and player meetings so they know whats going on on their fields. Third I on your field you let a team that was shot into their dead box with the dirty bomb break out and place the dirty bomb. Thus securing their flag for the last 10min of the game. Also the refs should be in those meetings so they don't run their field different from the rules and different from whats put out at the meetings. i.e. like in 8.0 of the rules it says the commander can check in an objective with a Field Ref. So then when your playing and the ref says no you need to take this to your dead box, because he made up his own rules. You can say no remember what was put out at the meetings the objective is checked in with a field ref. Also with refs attending the meetings one field won't be running different than the other two at world championships.

Krazy8 and I became aware of the fact that he and I were running the Objective turn-ins different from Curtis Saturday night. At that point, we determined it would be less confusion to stick with the way it had been. Because of this, it's something we're gonna make a point of getting straight for next year across the board.

As far as the Dirty Bomb in question, I vaguely remember hearing something about this and I suspect it was due to a confusion between myself and my deadbox refs on the fact that opened objectives must remain on a player at all times until the objective is used or the player is eliminated.

While I'll openly admit there were some small issues, everything I've heard is that it is much better than before. No Reffing in any sport will ever be perfect but we're doing all we can to get closer and closer to that point.

On a side note, was it just me and Krazy8 or did anyone else get eaten alive by bugs? Krazy8 got stung by a bee and his left leg swelled up pretty bad and I got assaulted by mosquitoes which has led into swelling in one hand and nasty spots on my legs.
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Posted 18 October 2008 - 04:57 PM

View PostLament, on Oct 17 2008, 06:01 PM, said:

I know that I had a wonderful weekend. Yeah, the weather was a bit wet, but eh, no biggy. Of course, this coming from someone that lives and plays up in Seattle.

The only real issues that I had were the limited fare of the BBQ, which was great in and of itself, and the fact that the final game for the Masters was pretty much played in the dark. Now this does not affect me, but for those that were playing it, it really is not that fair in my book.

Now Poe, just cause you can't eat pork. :laugh: I believe the team with the choice of field chose the field they wanted for that last game and had to wait for another game to end, which caused the whole ending in the dark.
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Posted 18 October 2008 - 07:46 PM

View PostThirdI, on Oct 18 2008, 03:17 PM, said:

View PostToad152, on Oct 17 2008, 03:45 PM, said:

Well i think all refs need to be part of the captains and player meetings so they know whats going on on their fields. Third I on your field you let a team that was shot into their dead box with the dirty bomb break out and place the dirty bomb. Thus securing their flag for the last 10min of the game. Also the refs should be in those meetings so they don't run their field different from the rules and different from whats put out at the meetings. i.e. like in 8.0 of the rules it says the commander can check in an objective with a Field Ref. So then when your playing and the ref says no you need to take this to your dead box, because he made up his own rules. You can say no remember what was put out at the meetings the objective is checked in with a field ref. Also with refs attending the meetings one field won't be running different than the other two at world championships.

Krazy8 and I became aware of the fact that he and I were running the Objective turn-ins different from Curtis Saturday night. At that point, we determined it would be less confusion to stick with the way it had been. Because of this, it's something we're gonna make a point of getting straight for next year across the board.


Which is why it would have been good for the refs to be at the Captains meeting, since that was specifically brought up during the meeting. Not that I am trying to bring about problems with the reffing, it was excellent in my book. By far, some of the best.

I love the pic that my team mate, who was unable to make it, posted up about the Holy Trinity, oh so true. And never shall it be argued by me.


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Posted 18 October 2008 - 07:52 PM

Hey, we'll take some bumps in the road for a 300% inprovement on the reffing as a whole. We were really pleased with the ref staff on every game we played.
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Posted 18 October 2008 - 08:04 PM

YOu guys are over the top....too funny, the wife didn't care for the chick in the T-shrit...I blew her up and framed it however LOL
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Posted 18 October 2008 - 11:37 PM

I will personally apologize for myself for not being at the Captains' meeting. I had intended to be there and I'm honestly not sure why I missed it.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 08:22 AM

View PostThirdI, on Oct 18 2008, 11:37 PM, said:

I will personally apologize for myself for not being at the Captains' meeting. I had intended to be there and I'm honestly not sure why I missed it.

Well, it may have been something like this:

"Ugggghhhhh. Brains.... I mean coffee. Coffee. Coooofffffeeeeeee."

LOL, maybe? :dodgy:


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Posted 19 October 2008 - 11:24 AM

That is highly possible! Didn't help that I left my ZipFizz at home too.
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