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#1 User is offline   xscout 

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 01:09 PM

Ok, I live in Houston, where it is rarely ever cold enough to make a difference as to temperatures of co2 in a tank.
It boils nice and fast, and even with my 98 custom pro E-grip, ripping at 15 bps, I seldom have to worry about any thing freezing on me.
I use an anti-siphoned 20 oz tank, run a remote, and have an expansion chamber.
The remote and xchamber are from a previous marker, so it's not like I dropped a bunch of cash.

I'm looking at consistency in velocity as my primary goal...with consistent velocity, my accuracy will be increased.
But when I open up with the occasional rope of paint (because I play in woodsy brush, sometimes volume is required to get through) I am seeing
shoot-down, and performance issues, and I'm hoping to minimize these.

Should I, with what you know know of my setup, invest in a Palmers Stabilizer, or take off the xchamber, and buy the 114CI 45OOPSI BOMBER tank?

I know that folks are addicted to their HPA, and recommend it at the drop of a hat, and fills of either HPA or Co2 are no problem out here, but even wearing my Dagger vest that bomber is facking HUGE to be running around with.

So my favorite gurus, any opinions? Cost isn't that big an issue, I'm a patient man and can wait until Christmas when my wife might not notice the extra package (yea right) and I'm not switching from my Tippmann, so basically, I'm looking for reasons to step up to HPA, or not even bother.

Thanks for your time,

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 02:55 PM

You're using an anti-syphoned tank with a remote??? That's not right. An anti-syphoned tank is designed to be used with the tank on the marker. Even then the anti-syphon tube has to be installed in the tank for the particular marker you're using so that when the tank is on the marker the end of the anti-syphon tube sticks up out of the liuquid CO2. Since you're wearing the tank on your vest you would have to make sure the tank is in the right position all the time and even then it's going to bounce around while you're moving causing liquid CO2 to be sucked into the anti-syphon tube. When using CO2 with a remote I recommend wearing the tank in a vertical position without an anti-syphon tube. I know most paintball vests aren't designed for this. I'd get a tank pouch you could wear on a belt or a pod belt that has a place to carry a tank vertically, or maybe even a leg pouch. CO2 works great IF you play in warm to hot weather, use a slow rate of fire, use a remote with the tank carried vertically, and a Palmers Stabilizer. I have several friends that use this set-up that use thier E-grip or Response Triggers every now and then with no problems. If you're shooting 15 BPS on a regular basis I'd just get HPA anyway. If you decide to keep the CO2 get rid of the anti-syphon tube and wear the tank vertically and get a Palmers Stabilizer and mount it on the marker and don't use a high rate of fire unless you have to. I love CO2. I live in Texas where it stays warm-hot, I have a stock mech trigger, I use a remote and a Palmers Stabilizer and my velocity is VERY stable and I rarely have to adjust it.

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Posted 28 June 2007 - 04:15 PM

You will always get many more shots out of a co2 tank than an hpa tank. A Palmer's Stab will help your consistency tremendously. If your gun is running mostly fine on co2 now, it'll run even better with a stab.

Get rid of the anti-siphon if you are running remote, by the way.
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Posted 28 June 2007 - 08:02 PM

View Postrussc, on Jun 28 2007, 07:15 PM, said:

You will always get many more shots out of a co2 tank than an hpa tank. A Palmer's Stab will help your consistency tremendously. If your gun is running mostly fine on co2 now, it'll run even better with a stab.

Get rid of the anti-siphon if you are running remote, by the way.


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He is right. There is no need to step up to HPA at this present moment in time if your marker is running fine on CO2. The reason you are experiencing the shoot-down is because you probably don't have a constant pressure running through your marker. With the Palmer's Stablizer you will have a pretty constant pressue at all times. With an expansion chamber the CO2 still needs a little time to expand into gas. Even with a Stabalizer it would still need some time, but not as much.

I would get rid of the expansion chamber and go to a Palmer's Stabalizer. The Stabalizer will give you very consistant velocity after it is broken in. It does take a long time to break in a Stabalizer though. There are several differant types of Stabalizers to choose from as well. I would go with one that best suits your set up. If your expansion chamber is hooked up via a verticle air adaptor I would get the Male version. If it is hooked directly into the power tube you have a few more options. You can either get a female stabalizer to replace the ASA. You could get an Inline Stab and put it on the remote between the ASA on the remote and the remote line. You could even get a Direct Stab and install it directly into the powertube.

Later on you can then get HPA if you so choose. It will help out even more. However living in such a warm climate you really don't have to worry about the cold temps that I have to worry about here in Michigan.
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Posted 30 June 2007 - 05:46 PM

Thanks for the input guys, I appreciate it.

As a side note, I run an antisiphoned tank in the horizontal pouch of a dagger vest...it's celarly marked on the exterior where the anti-siphon is, and if you have a SO vest, you know that those suckers don't move at all. The remote goes into the asa then the co2 goes through the expansion chamber (the basic tippman upright, installed in the foregrip).

Worst case scenario, I run liquid c02 into a remote and into an xchamber into a tippmann...and that hasn't happened yet with a serious addiction to lowcrawling and general banzi playstyle in the woods...but I appreciate your concern. It's one of those "if you could see it" things.

Again, just what I needed to hear...because eventually I'll go HPA, but a second reg like a palmers will always be a good piece of gear.
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Posted 30 June 2007 - 09:06 PM

View Postxscout, on Jun 30 2007, 05:46 PM, said:

I run an antisiphoned tank in the horizontal pouch of a dagger vest...it's celarly marked on the exterior where the anti-siphon is.

Sounds like you know what you're doing. I wouldn't change a thing.
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