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Mounting a tank sideways i.e. Turning 90 degrees, when facing the barrel

#1 User is offline   kchadek 

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Posted 07 June 2010 - 06:11 PM

So I am thinking about an automag project but want to get all the details down before I put the money into it.

The plan is to make one like this
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but the thing is I do not want to run remote. I know mounting the tank straight back like a usual marker would just hit the stock so I was thinking about turning the tank 90 degreed, the axis being when you are looking down the barrel, in other words out toward you when looking at the pic.
(If people really don't understand what I am trying to say I can draw a pic it is just hard to describe)

Anyway I was wondering if there is a rail or something out there that does this or if not if there is someone that can do it for me. it would just have to screw into the bottom of a grip frame and then have a dovetail where an asa can mount,

Or if anyone can think of a better way of still having the tank on the marker, throw some ideas out there.

Thanks for any help or advice

This post has been edited by kchadek: 07 June 2010 - 06:24 PM

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Posted 07 June 2010 - 08:14 PM

You could run a vertical ASA and have the tank where your front grip goes...

Or you could have a machine shop work up some kind of custom asa adapter plate for you to have the tank go out the side of the marker...

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Posted 07 June 2010 - 08:41 PM

Depending on the size of the tank in question, could you mount it in the hollow under the stock? A little 49/4500 should fit up there quite nicely and stay out of the way. Otherwise, with the use of a shortened remote the only question is how would you like to secure it?
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Posted 08 June 2010 - 11:59 AM

i would like to use my current tank, a 68/45 so a vertical asa is out of the question as well as getting a new tank to mound it under the stock.

I was kinda thinking about a drop however a mount like I described still seems ideal. I think I am just gonna try and find all the mag parts I need first and then go from there.

Who is the best machine shop that you think do make a mount like I described?
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Posted 08 June 2010 - 02:19 PM

You want to make it stick out to the side???
I can see doing a reverse set up, but out to the side seems like 1: a total pain in the ass and 2: would make for a huge profile when shooting out the left side of the bunker.

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 02:48 PM

Truthfully... don't do it. That thing will be sticking out like a foot from the side of the marker. Aside from being a huge profile, it's a major balance issue - it would cause the marker to want to tilt to the right, you better have a strong wrist/forearm.

If you wanted to tighten the profile up & still run "air-on" I'd suggest Hawaiian style (no, I don't know the origin of the name) like Pirate mentioned. That's where the tank is mounted running forward from the bottom of the grip frame asa instead of the traditional rear-facing. You just mount the direct-mount asa & filp it facing forward.

If you are planning on making a mag exactly like the one pictured... you'll have a couple issues w/ Hawaiian:
1. The Z frame shortens the overall height of the marker so the foregrip is too long to allow for a reverse tank. Solution, shorter/no foregrip.
2. The T2W is mounted to the holes a direct mount ASA would be. Solution, longer screws.
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Posted 08 June 2010 - 03:04 PM

yeah now that you describe it turning the tank is a bad idea.

I thought about the Hawaiian style but thought of those problems that you mentioned. Really I think the best and easiest is just gonna be a drop. Maybe an angled one or one of the pivoting ones so that the tank but can kinda go into that empty space under the stock.
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Posted 09 June 2010 - 09:55 AM

View Postkchadek, on Jun 8 2010, 06:04 PM, said:

Maybe an angled one or one of the pivoting ones so that the tank but can kinda go into that empty space under the stock.

That's not a bad idea. I think I may have seen one just like that w/ the T2W... I'll try to think where I saw that pic.
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 08:32 AM

Are you planning on running the Q-Loader too?
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 11:45 AM

nope, just the rotor mounted normal
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Posted 10 June 2010 - 02:25 PM

That makes this MUCH easier :P
Cause trying to change a Q-Pod with a tank in that same spot would be a hassle.

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Posted 10 June 2010 - 07:24 PM

Again, remote line, shortened and zip tie it to the front of the stock. It's not pretty, but it'll get you out there and playing and you can finetune an exact placement. It'll still throw the balance off but much less than turning the tank.
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Posted 11 June 2010 - 08:03 PM

well the project is now underway. Started finding parts today. Once its complete I'll be sure to post it up.
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Posted 12 June 2010 - 10:19 AM

have you thought about using a CP direct mount ASA /on/off ? , you could eliminate the foregrip as you will probley use the tank as your front support
Or you could eliminate the stock & do this ;
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Posted 12 June 2010 - 12:22 PM

a direct mount asa really wouldnt work as i'm using my 68/45 tank, and don't feel like spending extra to get another tank.

Also really like the look of the stock so I want to keep that, but the second pic is nice to see because depending upon what space I have under the stock, using a pivoting drop like that is exactly what I was talking about so that the tank will go right up into that space under the stock.
Otherwise if that does not work I will most likely just do a drop forward or look more into other mounting styles. Possibly a forward facing reverse drop even.

Oh and I did find a z-grip on AO, thanks tho.
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