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#1 User is offline   Big Bone 

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 02:08 PM

I'm a 40 hour a week blue collar employ like many of you out there and even I am stunned when I see how much these paint jobs end up costing. I look at the prices and wish I could make it less and with the same high quality. You may already know by reading at the F.A.Q.'s pinned in this room that we charge $30 and hour and for a DuraCoater that actually a reasonable hourly price, but I don't care about that. I have been researching for a while and have come across some interesting developments that may make painting an affordable price with no drop in quality, but these developments are not for sure and at this point have some concerning flaws. But I can't do this researching alone, it just take to much time...

So with this topic I leave it open for you to come up with the "new process".

This is something that I take seriously and I would love to here what you guys think. If you have any questions feel free to ask, and just remember what you say just might make the difference that could change a current $300 paint job into a $100 paint job. "and wether you think you can or you can't.... your right. See you tomorrow". (I just felt like throwing a Family Guy quote in there :o )
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Posted 18 July 2006 - 02:12 PM

Cheaper paintjobs would be pretty sweet. And wouldn't the market make more in the end because there would be more people trying to get their markers painted since they could finally afford it?

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 02:12 PM

Could you explain the current process?

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 02:27 PM

View PostTenacious221, on Jul 18 2006, 03:12 PM, said:

Could you explain the current process?

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It's not secret or anything. We start by disassembling the gun then dipping any oily metal parts in a tank full of solvent to clean it off. From there any sensitive parts (like threads or holes that lead into the internals) are taped off and plugged. Then they are sandblasted till the surface is clear of old paint and bare metal is showing. The parts are then blown off and given it's first coat of paint. After drying the parts have digital stickers placed randomly and squared (by the eye) with the horizon of the gun. When the proper amount of stickers are laid the second color is ready to be painted. This is repeated to how may colors are in the camouflage. After the last color is painted and dried the digital stickers are removed and the the parts are then wiped down with paint thinner to get any residue left from the stickers. All the parts are then given a Satin clear top coat to seal in the paint and to give it a uniform finish. It is then baked at 225 for metal parts and 125 for plastic parts. There you go, thats how your gun is painted.
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Posted 18 July 2006 - 08:39 PM

how long does it take total? and do people pay for drying time?
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Posted 18 July 2006 - 08:44 PM

Do you do these processes in batches? Or are they done one at a time?

Meaning...do you sandblast one marker...or do you have 5 at a time.

You could save time by painting all the green coats together. Baking many markers at the same time. ETC

Unless you already do that...

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Posted 18 July 2006 - 09:15 PM

I personally was going to get my marke painted by you guys but just couldnt afford it, you do great work but it is expensive. Also what exactly is the new process?
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Posted 18 July 2006 - 09:38 PM

I think Tenacious has an idea there. I got the impression that work was done one gun at a time. If you waited until you had, say five orders, got them all together, dipped/sandblasted/painted all together, you could probably save some time and money.

Also, Mech. CB had a good point, lower prices would almost certainly mean more buyers. I know there are tons of people here who would love a paintjob, but simply don't have the money.
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Posted 19 July 2006 - 09:39 AM

View Postwonderfluff, on Jul 18 2006, 09:39 PM, said:

how long does it take total? and do people pay for drying time?


No we don't charge for drying time, all charged time is worked time.

View PostTenacious221, on Jul 18 2006, 09:44 PM, said:

Do you do these processes in batches? Or are they done one at a time?

Meaning...do you sandblast one marker...or do you have 5 at a time.

You could save time by painting all the green coats together. Baking many markers at the same time. ETC

Unless you already do that...

-Tenacious


Yup I allready do that as much as I can. I try to keep a "production" mind with the whole thing but in the end it's not cutting out as much time as I would like it to. But good idea, every litle bit counts with saving money.
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Posted 19 July 2006 - 09:50 AM

Eh...fiddlesticks...

Maybe if you departmentalized...Instead of doing each step enmasse by yourself, you could have a blasting guy, a masking guy, a dipping guy...etc etc etc...

That way there'll be a group of markers being blasted while there's another being clearcoated for the final

I think that'd be faster

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Posted 19 July 2006 - 10:01 AM

View Postprotocoach, on Jul 18 2006, 10:38 PM, said:

I think Tenacious has an idea there. I got the impression that work was done one gun at a time. If you waited until you had, say five orders, got them all together, dipped/sandblasted/painted all together, you could probably save some time and money.

Also, Mech. CB had a good point, lower prices would almost certainly mean more buyers. I know there are tons of people here who would love a paintjob, but simply don't have the money.


I think I'll retime myself to see if I have gotten fast at this and from there I can drop the prices of the painting but it won't be the kind of drop I'm looking for. Keep up the comments.
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Posted 21 July 2006 - 11:35 PM

Hey man me and my dad have done finishes to real guns and we dip them in our tub full of thinner and other stuff to strip them, so I don't know maybe dip the paintball guns instead of sandblasting?
There is probably a reason for not doing it this way but I thought it couldnt hurt to post my 2 cents.
And i love the work, truly amazing wish I had the ca$h.
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Posted 23 July 2006 - 08:26 PM

I dont know if you cut the digi stencils out by hand but something that helped me out a ton is I made digi patterns on my computer and took it to the guy who does all the vinyl stickers for my company. He has a printer that will also cut out all the stencils and they are perfect! he has a removable sticker that I print them out on. This saved me a ton of time because before I was cutting out all my stencils with an xacto knife and it took forever to make them look decent.... BIG timesaver! hope it helps! Bone, get back up here to Logan to play man!! good time and new fields!
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Posted 24 July 2006 - 05:15 PM

View PostBig Bone, on Jul 19 2006, 01:01 PM, said:

View Postprotocoach, on Jul 18 2006, 10:38 PM, said:

I think Tenacious has an idea there. I got the impression that work was done one gun at a time. If you waited until you had, say five orders, got them all together, dipped/sandblasted/painted all together, you could probably save some time and money.

Also, Mech. CB had a good point, lower prices would almost certainly mean more buyers. I know there are tons of people here who would love a paintjob, but simply don't have the money.


I think I'll retime myself to see if I have gotten fast at this and from there I can drop the prices of the painting but it won't be the kind of drop I'm looking for. Keep up the comments.



Hmm..... Feel free to retime yourself on my gun!!! :)

As much as I would like to see the cost of the painting process drop, the end result is that you may cheapen the whole concept of a custom painted gun. I know that eventually it will happen, but I look at my upcoming long-q-bow and reguard it as a one-off item. This is something that I am paying dearly for, but the end result is should be worth the extra cost or it is not worth doing. The day I show up at my local field and a quarter of the guns there are digi-duracoat is the day I find another gun.

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Posted 24 July 2006 - 11:27 PM

just adding this in to remind people.


Quality maters
if it becomes a thing that's so fast people aren't caring. then whats the point?

the paint will became cheaper, the life will became shorter and the work will became shoddier.

o by the way nice job on the a5a2 dogleg in the gall.
i think it could use more green but looks great

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