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Is the Broadswordman position passe? With today's Daggers'/Sabres' firepower Rate Topic: -----

Poll: Is the Broadswordman position passe? (18 member(s) have cast votes)

Is this position redundant and still needed?

  1. yes (11 votes [64.71%])

    Percentage of vote: 64.71%

  2. no (6 votes [35.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 35.29%

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#1 User is offline   slinkyaroo 

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 07:29 AM

Back a few years when mechs was overwhelming on the field we had a guy in the background called a "Broadswordman" who had firepower to support his team. Back then R/T's were popular and electros were either too expensive, not made for your marker (Tippmann) or not common at all. Today firepower is found in all positions. It's not uncommon for a Dagger to have more fire power than a Tippmann wielding Broadswordsman.

Sure the Broadswordsman does carry more paint but extra pods on 2 Sabres would make up that difference. Even in the position subforums Broadswordman seems to be the most inactive (exclude Ref because they were never given their dues.)

Anybody else see this change in today's scenerio lineup?


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This post has been edited by slinkyaroo: 10 May 2008 - 09:20 AM

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 07:32 AM

I think the postions are all there for a reason and there all needed, no matter what technological advancements.
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Posted 22 April 2008 - 08:34 AM

I think its not so much about raw firepower itself & more about how that firepower is used. To me, a Broadsword is a distinctly supporting roll. You're right - everyone on the field can shoot vast amounts of paint these days. But Broadswords do most of their blasting away from the rear, moving less but shooting more while covering the Daggers & Sabres who are farther forward. Its a specialized fire-support role & I think thats enough to keep them from being redundant.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 05:26 PM

ya i agree its not at all about the gun u use but how u use it, thats wat makes u the type of playa that u r. if u are playin as broadsword u will b a little further back, and doin much more suppressing and less manouvering than other playas. thats wat makes a broadsword a broadsword, not how much paint he shoots
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 05:37 PM

You need to fix the pole Is it needed and redundant? Dirty Acronym
Anyway, I am a commander, and while commanding I fill n the broadsword's role. That way I can lay cover fire from a safe distance. The broadsword isn't about his gun, its about his geographical psotion. His job is to stand way back and shoot so that the opforce falls back.
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Posted 24 April 2008 - 05:53 PM

The "positions" are a marketing ploy aimed at bundling "the gear needed" into value meal style packages or lists. Think for yourselves. Play your own game.
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Posted 29 April 2008 - 02:16 PM

This is how I consider the positions and why i think a Broadsword is out there. Remember just my take.

Sniper: self explanatory
Dagger: scout, skirmisher, they strike fast and fall back quick
Saber: basic infantry, they make up the bulk of the forces
Broadsword: light machine gun, less mobile (generally) they lay down a lot more paint and perform more in a suppression role
Hammer: heavy machine gunner, complete suppression (slowest player on the field)
Commander: self explanatory
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Posted 10 May 2008 - 08:55 AM

i still think it's needed. if a dagger has a lot of firepower, he can still get shot....having a fast gun doesn't protect you from paintballs, you still need to have suppression.
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Posted 23 May 2008 - 02:00 PM

Pretty much what everyone has said. While the Broadsword position certainly needs firepower, its more in how they use it: i.e., suppressing rather than flanking.
I think alot of woodsballers need to make the step from Slower tippmanns and look at fast "speedball" markers. Eespecially suppression guys. Then they don't need to worry about getting their marker wet, as they won't be running and diving and such. JUst cuz you shoot alot doesn't mean you need a heavy A-5.
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Posted 24 May 2008 - 11:32 AM

Well I think it's redundant... that's why my team doesn't have one. I have no idea how to answer your poll, though, because "rendundant and still needed" is ambiguous, lol.

It's cool that SpecOps has this role for teams that want to use it. When you start reconsidering what you need or don't need on the field at once, you're thinking strategically.
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Posted 24 May 2008 - 11:42 AM

personally i think its okay to have 1 or 2....especially if the team in question happens to be mostly big guys :) lol. my team for example, we have guys who does deep flanking, ghost flanking, suppression, paint bait, pod monkey, and commanders. I dont call the ghost flankers snipers as they move MUCH faster than usual, and theyre also the ones who can disappear into the woods without using ghillie suits. (i have done that, but most times im a deep flanker/scout) and we operate in 2-player bricks based on the British Army tactics, which is pretty effective when you have alot of SP1s and a bunch of fast markers as well as pumpers. yes we have alot of firepower in our hands, but the thing is, nearly everyone on the team have 6-8 pods on them....so we dont exactly have "daggers" (i only carry 34 tubes of pbs for my nelspot, but i dont call myself a dagger, i just like to run this way, i have been known to carry much more than a pistol lol..) we also have a hammer who only has 10 pods in his backpack, (considered light by most hammer standards) so in reality, we dont do position crap. we do whats needed, where its needed, and everyone is more than capable of cover fire... broadsword, sabre, dagger, hammer, all those are just suggestions. what you call a broadsword on my team, we consider the back guys. :) we have an average weight of 230 pounds...so yes we're all pretty big cept for a few who are much faster and smaller :happy:
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