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ION + CO2(anti-Syphened)

Poll: ion + CO2 (anti-syphened) (80 member(s) have cast votes)

Do/Have you use CO2 with you Ion?

  1. Yes (13 votes [16.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 16.25%

  2. No (67 votes [83.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 83.75%

Has CO2 every harmed your gun?

  1. Don't Use CO2 (53 votes [66.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 66.25%

  2. Have had no problem with CO2 (16 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  3. Minor Damage - $0-$10 for repair (3 votes [3.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.75%

  4. Medium Damage - $11-$50 (1 votes [1.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.25%

  5. High Damage - $51-$100 (3 votes [3.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.75%

  6. Major Damage - $101+ (1 votes [1.25%])

    Percentage of vote: 1.25%

  7. Major Damage - Had to buy New Gun (3 votes [3.75%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.75%

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#1 User is offline   zd_98c 

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 10:57 PM

Just to kinda clear up some questions.... All the questions protain to using CO2 WITH anti-syphen

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Posted 06 January 2007 - 11:00 PM

Honestly, i dont even think you should take the risk of using co2. even if it is anti siphoned. just get an hpa tank. you can get cheap ones for like 60 dollars at actionvillage.com.
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Posted 07 January 2007 - 07:52 AM

i can understand people who cant get hpa fills but i absolutely hate all the little kids who think theyre better than everyone because they found it cheaper just to use co2.


and if you do think its cheaper then ask yourself, whats cheaper? a $60 hpa tank or buying new parts for your ion which could easily total up to $100?

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Posted 07 January 2007 - 08:24 AM

View PostConor1148, on Jan 7 2007, 08:52 AM, said:

i can understand people who cant get hpa fills but i absolutely hate all the little kids who think theyre better than everyone because they found it cheaper just to use co2.


and if you do think its cheaper then ask yourself, whats cheaper? a $60 hpa tank or buying new parts for your ion which could easily total up to $100?


Yea, I agree with that. I would not waste a minute in ordering an HPA tank but I don't have anywhere to fill it unless I invest in a scuba tank or two, but then I don't think I would have anywhere to fill that.
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Posted 07 January 2007 - 09:39 AM

I bought my Ion when it first came out on the market.
It has never breathed CO2. Why?
Because over the years I have learned that cold gas + nylon/rubber/nytrile/latex/buna/W-E hosing and seals=eventual disaster.

If it were simply O-rings only, then there's really no big deal. Spyders, Tippmans, old markers or markers with brass cupseals are designed to shoot it...but we're talking about an Ion.

Externally, it's a low-end marker. Internally, it's a mid-to-high grade marker. It's not using an electromagnetic noid, it's using an electropneumatic noid. There are tubes that will freeze and rupture because of the cold alone. The fact that CO2 will shoot as 'snow' at fast speeds should tell you something. It happens even with antisiphon, just not as extensively.
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Posted 07 January 2007 - 01:21 PM

it makes me cringe every time i see a kid who uses c02 on his ion shoot the "snow" that druid was talking about.
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Posted 13 January 2007 - 09:47 PM

i used co2 4 a while and finaly got hpa and right when i got it the board broke kuz of liquid co2 and i had 2 buy a new 1
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 10:25 AM

Just spend the 60 on a hpa tank. C02 can damage your reg and gun, and its not worth it. Not to mention hpa is more consistant.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 05:01 PM

it sound cheap but
Complete o ring rebuild isnt fun
New noid
New hose
More o rings
Generaly you will loose much more money in the short run.
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Posted 14 January 2007 - 06:50 PM

i like how 2 ppl ahve used or do use CO2 but 6 tell what happened....lol




dont use CO2...

why ppl spend $100+ on a barrel and are petrifyed to go over $30 on air (Hpa is $50-$350) is beyond me. why use a gas that will severly damage 90% of higher end markers. a barrel is nuthing if ur gun is malfunctioning


-same debate on goggles- why buy cheap goggles and not see whats 2 ft in front of you


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Posted 15 January 2007 - 08:56 AM

View Postzd_98c, on Jan 7 2007, 08:24 AM, said:

View PostConor1148, on Jan 7 2007, 08:52 AM, said:

i can understand people who cant get hpa fills but i absolutely hate all the little kids who think theyre better than everyone because they found it cheaper just to use co2.


and if you do think its cheaper then ask yourself, whats cheaper? a $60 hpa tank or buying new parts for your ion which could easily total up to $100?


Yea, I agree with that. I would not waste a minute in ordering an HPA tank but I don't have anywhere to fill it unless I invest in a scuba tank or two, but then I don't think I would have anywhere to fill that.


usually there is always somewhere you can get scuba tanks filled, i forgot what kind of store usually does though :sick:
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Posted 15 January 2007 - 10:12 PM

CO2 is perfectly fine on an ion.

We've been using it for a year and the only O-ring rebulds we've ever had to do was on the tank.

which ususally acounts to.......1 $0.50 O-ring.

Co2 is just less consistant and has shootdown. You can only ruin your marker with it if you are mentaly retarded.

You can come up with whatever argument you want about how CO2 is bad. I'll kill that argument with cold hard facts.

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Posted 16 January 2007 - 04:44 PM

View Postsuper_stalker, on Jan 16 2007, 06:12 AM, said:

CO2 is perfectly fine on an ion.

We've been using it for a year and the only O-ring rebulds we've ever had to do was on the tank.

which ususally acounts to.......1 $0.50 O-ring.

Co2 is just less consistant and has shootdown. You can only ruin your marker with it if you are mentaly retarded.

You can come up with whatever argument you want about how CO2 is bad. I'll kill that argument with cold hard facts.


Why risk it?
Just because your Ion handles it doesnt mean that the majority of ions will.
Besides.. co2 isnt cheaper in the long run.


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Posted 16 January 2007 - 05:14 PM

If you play every week, at my rate 1 case/week, I would go through probably 8 dollars worth of C02 fills. After a couple months, thats a brand new CF HPA tank.

You dont have to be mentally retarded, it happens to a lot of people who were told C02 is fine.

A c02 tank+stab=price of cheap HPA tank'
HPA is more consistant
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Posted 19 January 2007 - 02:38 PM

View PostAlan, on Jan 16 2007, 04:14 PM, said:

If you play every week, at my rate 1 case/week, I would go through probably 8 dollars worth of C02 fills. After a couple months, thats a brand new CF HPA tank.


What the hell does that have to do with anything?

The CO2 tanks are lighter
The hydro date is longer
The tanks are cheaper
Fills are cheaper or = to compressed air

Ok now get this, CO2 cannot remain a liquid under 600 PSI. A stock ion has an operating pressure of 220 PSI correct?

Now to keep liquid CO@ out of you marker all you need is an anti-siphon CO2 tank (with an on/off preferably) and a palmers female stabalizer.

The palmer reg set at PSI regulates the CO2 and keeps liquid CO2 out of the lines, then the normal reg just regulates the gas CO2 and there is no risk of damage to your marker.
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