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Why don't all marker manufactorer put a safety on their markers? And what happened to teaching kids basic gun safety?

#31 User is offline   Jonas 

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Posted 21 May 2007 - 11:00 AM

Can't you just mess around with the internals and reverse the saftey? I don't know what it looks like on a PMI2 but you could be able to do that.
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Posted 09 June 2007 - 03:08 PM

I agree. Markers should be legally required to have a safety switch that can be engaged without turning the marker off. Even a simple circuit interrupt that prevents electricity from flowing through the microswitch would be enough for electronic markers. There simply is NO excuse. The issue with safeties for left-handed players IS a major problem. I do NOT like how most push safeties are implemented, particularly on Tippmanns. I got used to jamming the safety off with my right thumb when I brought my gun up.

With an E-Mag, the safety is critical. It uses a magnetic trigger, and if you barely jolt the gun it will go off. There is no way to uncock the gun, either, as Automags are always cocked when gassed. I do NOT trust the gun without the safety on.

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Posted 09 June 2007 - 04:00 PM

I remember when all paintball guns had safeties. I took the safety out of my m98 because with the R/T or even the ebolt, it would vibrate into the locked position while heavily firing.

I exercise proper gun handling rules and in the last two years, I've only had no more than three accidental discharges (a fumble resulting in a finger going into a trigger guard). Each time, it was into the barrel sock.

Barrel socks effectively remove the necessity of a mechanical safety when properly used- put on whenever you are not actively playing:
Always in the safety zoned areas of the field, when you are waiting for the judges to tell you to remove them before starting the game, when you have been eliminated, or when you are carrying the gun around the parking lot, loaded and gassed or not.

I worry more about the idiots who can't follow these simple directions than, anything else on the field.
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Post icon  Posted 09 June 2007 - 04:57 PM

View PostUV Halo, on Jun 9 2007, 06:00 PM, said:

I remember when all paintball guns had safeties. I took the safety out of my m98 because with the R/T or even the ebolt, it would vibrate into the locked position while heavily firing.

I exercise proper gun handling rules and in the last two years, I've only had no more than three accidental discharges (a fumble resulting in a finger going into a trigger guard). Each time, it was into the barrel sock.

Barrel socks effectively remove the necessity of a mechanical safety when properly used- put on whenever you are not actively playing:
Always in the safety zoned areas of the field, when you are waiting for the judges to tell you to remove them before starting the game, when you have been eliminated, or when you are carrying the gun around the parking lot, loaded and gassed or not.

I worry more about the idiots who can't follow these simple directions than, anything else on the field.


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Posted 09 June 2007 - 09:40 PM

I shoot an electropnmatic marker. It has an extremely sensitive trigger. I am yet to acceidentally shoot someone in 3 years of having this gun. All because i keep the damm thing turned off. In nearly every paintball game, the'res a countdown to the start. Even if it's just a 3-2-1-GO! affair, most, if not all guns will boot up in that 3 seconds.Iif you're even remotely paying attention you'll know the game is starting far enough in advance to let your gun boot up in time. For those whose guns boot up at the speed of molasses running uphil, get a board with an electonic safety like a t-board. On these, tapping the power button safes the gun, but only holding it will turn it off. T-boards use mebrane pads that you can stick anywhere, so you can put them someplace you won't accidentally tip it. (and if you somehow manage to do so, the LED color changes and blinks rapidly so you know it's safe).

In addition to keeping the gun off, i keep mine on a sling, so unless i'm on the field intending to shoot, the muzzle is pointed straight at the ground or at the sky with a barrel condom on it.


In short, keep the gun off, the barrel blocked, and the muzzle pointed somewhere safe. Having an elctro is not an excuse for irresponsibility.
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Posted 10 June 2007 - 10:42 AM

View PostGhost_Wolf, on Jun 9 2007, 09:40 PM, said:

Having an elctro is not an excuse for irresponsibility.


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Weapons safety is one of my pet peeves on the field. I can't count the times I've wanted to clock someone because they had their marker pointed in an unsafe direction with their finger on the trigger. What's worse is I've seen some of these people on the range as well. :aah:
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Posted 10 June 2007 - 01:29 PM

Normally in an in-game setting (usch as in the friendly base of operations), my safety is on, and I am holding my marker by the grip, however, none of my fingers are close to the trigger (or even on the trigger guard). Once we leave the base, I flip it off of safety, but keep my fingers positioned the same. When I see an enemy, or think we are going to be ambushed, I rest the bulk of my finger on the trigger guard, with the tip of it resting on the trigger. Once I have identified the enemy, THEN I put my all of finger on the trigger and fire.

Doing it this way, I have yet to accidently set my gun off. When I pull the trigger, I absolutely mean to pull it. I can't count the number of times I have been shoot in the foot, leg, back, etc. because a kid with a marker was resting his finger on the trigger, instead of using the safety, or not having is finger on the trigger.
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Posted 14 June 2007 - 08:19 AM

i keep my safety on until im ready to do something lol, as a commander i don't need to be shooting my own troops, and whoever said they take safeties off mechs is wrong, my 98 has a VERY light trigger pull. so always use your safeties guys
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Posted 14 June 2007 - 09:21 AM

Safeties are a mechanical device that can fail and have failed in the past. I have an E-grip on my A5. I was working with it, luckily it wasn't attached to a loaded marker. I had the safety on and was trying to do something. The E-grip cycled and would have fired had it been attached to a marker.

I don't know how many trimes I have been walking back or to the front lines at a large game and watched some kid shoot his team half a dozen times before he even realized that the marker was going off.

I may get yelled at for this but a lot of these kids that are using paintball markers for the 1st time should take some type of safety class. A paintball safety class would be ideal but a hunter safety course would also be a good idea. I was standing next to a buddy and his cousin. Well the cousin had his kid and he grabbed the barrel of a marker and looked down it. Hello. The kid was 12 or so but even with a trigger block, barrel bag or plug, that could have led to a really bad situation.

A lot of people think that paintball markers are toys, even though it says not a toy on the marker and the box it came in, and the instruction manual. Also, movies and television shows that show people doing stupid things with paintball markers should have something said. It promotes a bad image of paintball as well as giving people bad ideas. Like in 8 Mile. Loved the movie but driving around the city shooting cars and cop cars is a really bad thing to be showing kids.

Basically, common sense is missing. Well, its common sense to those os us who grew up around firearms or have experience with them.
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Posted 16 June 2007 - 11:55 PM

While it is true that safeties can fail at times, having them on is never a safety issue.
But I agree that some people just don't have common sense.

And safeties are absolutely essential on mechs. Don't use the trigger pull as an excuse, because lots of mechs have light trigger pulls. Not only that, but heavy to one person is light to the other. I have pulled the trigger accidentally many times on my A-5, and its trigger pull isn't all that light.

There is absolutely no excuse to skimp on safety. Putting a little insignificant button on a marker isn't going to kill anyone.
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Posted 17 June 2007 - 12:53 AM

The ATF changed their ruling on firearms BTW. SWAT/Monitor has an article on it in the sniper section.
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Post icon  Posted 17 June 2007 - 05:41 PM

View PostKnightwolf16, on Jun 14 2007, 11:21 AM, said:

Safeties are a mechanical device that can fail and have failed in the past. I have an E-grip on my A5. I was working with it, luckily it wasn't attached to a loaded marker. I had the safety on and was trying to do something. The E-grip cycled and would have fired had it been attached to a marker.

I don't know how many trimes I have been walking back or to the front lines at a large game and watched some kid shoot his team half a dozen times before he even realized that the marker was going off.

I may get yelled at for this but a lot of these kids that are using paintball markers for the 1st time should take some type of safety class. A paintball safety class would be ideal but a hunter safety course would also be a good idea. I was standing next to a buddy and his cousin. Well the cousin had his kid and he grabbed the barrel of a marker and looked down it. Hello. The kid was 12 or so but even with a trigger block, barrel bag or plug, that could have led to a really bad situation.

A lot of people think that paintball markers are toys, even though it says not a toy on the marker and the box it came in, and the instruction manual. Also, movies and television shows that show people doing stupid things with paintball markers should have something said. It promotes a bad image of paintball as well as giving people bad ideas. Like in 8 Mile. Loved the movie but driving around the city shooting cars and cop cars is a really bad thing to be showing kids.

Basically, common sense is missing. Well, its common sense to those os us who grew up around firearms or have experience with them.


Wow, in "King of the Hill" there was an episode where a truckload of teens shot up their neighborhood. In "All Babes Want to Kill Me", a film character urged another to remove his shirt whilst he fired a marker at him within five feet. And "School for Scoundrels" promoted play without proper head protection.

...Sorry, off topic. The media does like to exploit paintball's seemingly "violent" characteristics, which then turns the public against paintball players and lures the new generation to vandalize. Anyway...
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Posted 18 June 2007 - 02:06 AM

Sorry, but also, media is horrible, yes. AKA anyone seen those vault commercials? SAFETY GOGGLES AND PEOPLE LIFTING THEIR MASKS IN THE GAME! "Let's go drink a LOT of vault until we are some what intoxicated, then shoot each other in the face with a lrobably hot paintball marker!" Oh, the agony.

Oh, oh... Topics and what-not... I think the cheaper guns have safeties, making them seem safe at the start until they get expensive, or just some mods don't. Don't e-grips not have a safety? Wait, I can't think... Hmm. Oh and I think you can add your own safety with a tiny bit of dremel machining and a rod and maybe some warranty voiding... Isn't that possible?
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Posted 19 June 2007 - 11:25 AM

on all my electrionic guns I put the barrel bag on then turn my gun off. Then I carry it by the beaver tail and my hand is on the back of the trigger frame with nothing on the trigger.
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Posted 05 July 2007 - 10:35 AM

well by the knowledge i no that u are suppose to treat a gun when its loaded all the time and keep the barrel pointed in a safe direction like HUNTER SAFETY. I dont think that half the people who paintball have taken that class.

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