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Posted 20 June 2009 - 01:09 PM

OK, heres the deal. I have a Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifle, and i have hunted with the thing since i was old enough to use it. Its a great gun, proved to be very accurate out to whatever distances i needed it to be. But, now that im entering the Tactical Carbine era, I have a few questions before i try and give it a facelift.

1. Will putting a replacement stock on it hurt its accuracy in any way? im very skittish about doing so, mainly becasue im afraid it will mess something up.

2. What are some reccomended Magazines? I want 30rd mags, but i cant find consistent reviews on good manufacturers. Rger Factory would be preffered, but they are quite expensive. And, im not sure they make 30 rds, all i have seen are 20 rd.

3. What replacent stocks, if any, are ressomended? i had looked at a Houge overmolded for some time, especially one of the Ghillie Green models. But, i had seen where RamLine had a similar product. Any other decently priced stocks i should know about? It has a factory Walnur Ranch Rifle sstock on it now, and i have to say, its durable, but the guns a bit on the heavy side. Would a synthetic stock cut down on weight that much?

Im sure i will have more questins and requests for reccomendations, but im drawing a blank right now. Any help is appreciated, and please, no flaming or bashing my gun or what im asking for.

EDIT: forgot to add the order of importance:

1.Magazine
2. Stock
3. Anything im missing

At the moment, it has a Leapers 3-9X50mm scope, with red and green illuminated reticule, A UTG mount with a side rail, and two 30rd mags of unknown manufacture.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 03:44 PM

First, most of the high-cap mags for the Mini-14 are made by Pro Mag, a company that specializes in turning perfectly good guns into paperweights. Stock, well, that's entirely subjective. ATI makes stocks for various guns. They're good quality, but ugly as all hell. And tacticlol stuff? Maybe a basic scope or red dot.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 05:58 PM

How many times have you asked us to address your overheating problem? We have answered your question multiple times, you just refuse to accept the answer.

Magazines - stick to Ruger magazines. Others are really finicky.

I am not sure about the stocks having an effect on accuracy. For use as a "light sniper rifle" (which is a complete crock of crap. A Mini-14 doesn't have the accuracy or stopping power to be anything remotely like a sniper rifle.) you should just be using the factory stock. They are solid stocks. Anything aftermarket is simply a downgrade.

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Posted 20 June 2009 - 08:29 PM

Hey the reason your barrel overheats is your firing to fast. The Mini 14 has a thinner barrel than a AR15 or a AK47 so the thicker the barrel the faster you can fire. You can't really fix it, or atleast I don't think, without getting a new, thicker barrel.
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Posted 20 June 2009 - 08:43 PM

Well, I don't know why you want a new stock but if it is just for looks, it isn't worth it. Also if the rail on the mini 14 is anything like the rail for the full size M14 then you are going to have some issues because the rail comes loose pretty easily and you will need to sight it in ALOT. And like Ion King said, a thicker barrel will help your overheating issues. But as with all semi-autos don't expect amazing accuracy at range because the fact is that the chamber is going to be quite looser than you would see on a bolt action.
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Posted 20 June 2009 - 10:28 PM

Mags, go with Ruger Factory magazines. They are some of the most reliable available.

Stock, I'd say keep the factory. If it is a necessity, Hogue Overmolded stocks are nice, but you could invest that money into ammo and be better off.

Overheating issue. Shoot slower is the cheapest, easiest, and most reliable method to prevent it. It simply is. A heavy fluted aftermarket barrel can do it, but at a high price. The other option, is a barrel shroud/heat shield of some description. It won't be as efficient as a heavy barrel, simple or effective as shooting slower, and may effect accuracy. However it is still an option As a "scout/light sniper rifle" (I'm assuming you mean some form of short range DM styled carbine, as that is about as close as you can get with an old Mini 14), the sniping and scout philosophies both include conservation of shots. Ergo, shoot slower is a better option here.

Trinkets? A good cleaning kit and some BreakFree CLP or M-Pro cleaning chemicals. And range time. Or save for a better rifle. I'm always going to suggest a better rifle.

In short, your best bet in .223 for the performance you seem to want would be a varminting AR15. You won't get that performance form a Mini-14. What you will get is a relatively innocuous looking semi carbine in .223. It it what it is. No stock, trinket, or doodad will change it. It's like dressing up a Tippmann, it'll still be a Tippmann with all the stuff bolted on it.
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Posted 21 June 2009 - 06:36 AM

HK MR556 is getting released soon.... :D

Short of a $1700 rifle, which will serve your purpose properly, we need to know what you mean by 'scout/ sniper'. Look into the Steyr Scout rifle, as well... I believe even Walmart sells them. Six pound gun, bolt action, .308 (or better, available), and sub-MOA at 300 yards. 5.56 just isn't a great round for distance shooting... frankly, it's just not a great round, since it tends to punch right through whatever it hits, unless body armor is in the way to make it tumble.
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Posted 21 June 2009 - 02:04 PM

View PostWardenWolf, on Jun 20 2009, 03:44 PM, said:

First, most of the high-cap mags for the Mini-14 are made by Pro Mag, a company that specializes in turning perfectly good guns into paperweights. Stock, well, that's entirely subjective. ATI makes stocks for various guns. They're good quality, but ugly as all hell. And tacticlol stuff? Maybe a basic scope or red dot.


I At the moment, it has a Leapers 3-9X50 IR scope on it, and it works just fine for now. The only ATI stock i can find is that ugly folding stock they make, im more into a normal Monte Carlo style stock. Thanks for the idea, though. I have seen the ProMg magazines, and my god they are heavy! I have a National Magazine ( i think, no stamping on it, tho) 30 rd, and its never failed me yet, so....

View PostFrontier_Bill, on Jun 20 2009, 05:58 PM, said:

How many times have you asked us to address your overheating problem? We have answered your question multiple times, you just refuse to accept the answer.

Magazines - stick to Ruger magazines. Others are really finicky.

I am not sure about the stocks having an effect on accuracy. For use as a "light sniper rifle" (which is a complete crock of crap. A Mini-14 doesn't have the accuracy or stopping power to be anything remotely like a sniper rifle.) you should just be using the factory stock. They are solid stocks. Anything aftermarket is simply a downgrade.


My wording has been fixed, sorry if i gave you the wrong idea. I had wanted to go with Ruger factory, but i didnt know if they still produced 30rds

View PostION KING, on Jun 20 2009, 08:29 PM, said:

Hey the reason your barrel overheats is your firing to fast. The Mini 14 has a thinner barrel than a AR15 or a AK47 so the thicker the barrel the faster you can fire. You can't really fix it, or atleast I don't think, without getting a new, thicker barrel.


Overheat problem taken out of equation, felt like a NERTZ bag for even mentioning it in this context.

View PostM.O.P., on Jun 20 2009, 08:43 PM, said:

Well, I don't know why you want a new stock but if it is just for looks, it isn't worth it. Also if the rail on the mini 14 is anything like the rail for the full size M14 then you are going to have some issues because the rail comes loose pretty easily and you will need to sight it in ALOT. And like Ion King said, a thicker barrel will help your overheating issues. But as with all semi-autos don't expect amazing accuracy at range because the fact is that the chamber is going to be quite looser than you would see on a bolt action.


The mount i have on it holds insanely tight, never came loose. Its one of the UTG mounts with the rail on the side. very solid, no movement at all. Notice i asked what the benefits of a replacement stocks were. If it cuts down on weight and makes it feel better (i love the way Hougue stocks feel, just never used a Ghillie Model), then its worth it to me. And as far as accuracy goes, The things accurate enough for me. Im not saying its National Match or anything, just that its accurate enough for varmint work out to short/ medium distances.

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Mags, go with Ruger Factory magazines. They are some of the most reliable available.

Stock, I'd say keep the factory. If it is a necessity, Hogue Overmolded stocks are nice, but you could invest that money into ammo and be better off.

Overheating issue. Shoot slower is the cheapest, easiest, and most reliable method to prevent it. It simply is. A heavy fluted aftermarket barrel can do it, but at a high price. The other option, is a barrel shroud/heat shield of some description. It won't be as efficient as a heavy barrel, simple or effective as shooting slower, and may effect accuracy. However it is still an option As a "scout/light sniper rifle" (I'm assuming you mean some form of short range DM styled carbine, as that is about as close as you can get with an old Mini 14), the sniping and scout philosophies both include conservation of shots. Ergo, shoot slower is a better option here.

Trinkets? A good cleaning kit and some BreakFree CLP or M-Pro cleaning chemicals. And range time. Or save for a better rifle. I'm always going to suggest a better rifle.

In short, your best bet in .223 for the performance you seem to want would be a varminting AR15. You won't get that performance form a Mini-14. What you will get is a relatively innocuous looking semi carbine in .223. It it what it is. No stock, trinket, or doodad will change it. It's like dressing up a Tippmann, it'll still be a Tippmann with all the stuff bolted on it.


Ruger factory mags are hard to come by here, and i have yet to see any in 30rd. U got it right with the barrel, its very expensive, im just trying to make due with what i have. And thats exactly what i mean, a DM style carbine. I cant afford a new gun, let alone an AR of any make. Im making due with what i have, and since this gun works for me, im going to use it. Like i said, i cant afford a better rifle. ARs are too damn expensive, and im not selling this one, so im trying to make it work.

View Postflyweightnate, on Jun 21 2009, 06:36 AM, said:

HK MR556 is getting released soon.... :P

Short of a $1700 rifle, which will serve your purpose properly, we need to know what you mean by 'scout/ sniper'. Look into the Steyr Scout rifle, as well... I believe even Walmart sells them. Six pound gun, bolt action, .308 (or better, available), and sub-MOA at 300 yards. 5.56 just isn't a great round for distance shooting... frankly, it's just not a great round, since it tends to punch right through whatever it hits, unless body armor is in the way to make it tumble.


Wal Mart selling Scouts? where do u live and where can i get a plane ticket? ha. By " scout sniper" i meant a DMR styled Carbine. Short range accurate carbine. Its all the gun is. I cant afford a new rifle, and I have had good success with the Vmax and Nosler round i have been using, never had a shoot through, they always make hell inside whater i just shot.

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 02:36 PM

OK, apparently the way i worded a few things has everyone taking things the wrong way, and im sorry if i caused any confusion. Im looking to make this Mini into a good, short range, accurate carbine. Not a long range "sniper rifle", just a suitable carbine for varmint work at decent hunting ranges. In other words, im trying to give it a modern tac carbine facelift.

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 02:41 PM

stocks

http://www.cheaperth...aspx?catid=1009

mags

http://www.cheaperth...aspx?catid=1029


anything else

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 06:25 PM

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I already get CTD! catalogs, and i know what they carry. i just have no way of knowing whats quality and whats not. Im pretty sure i had ordered a mag from the in the past, and as far as i know it hasnt misfed or jammed at all. Thanks for the tip, ive been keeping tabs on Miday USA, CTD, and Sporstmans guide.

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 06:41 PM

The Tapco Fusion and ATI Strikeforce are some very nice aftermarket stocks if you are in the market. For what you are in the market for, it may work

And ARs are fairly reasonable if you chose to build it yourself over time. I'm looking into going that route. If I can find a good deal on the parts, I REALLY want to build an AR10 variant.

I'm usually a stickler for staying with Factory mags for weapons, unless I can get better than factory mags. Like the Wilson Combat 1911 mags vs. most other companies mags. Reliability is paramount in every aspect of a weapon system.

For sighting versatility, a good red dot with a red dot magnifier will allow the option to use the dot at close range, and flip in the magnifier to stretch the aiming range out.
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Posted 21 June 2009 - 07:30 PM

View PostPistolWhipped, on Jun 21 2009, 06:41 PM, said:

The Tapco Fusion and ATI Strikeforce are some very nice aftermarket stocks if you are in the market. For what you are in the market for, it may work

And ARs are fairly reasonable if you chose to build it yourself over time. I'm looking into going that route. If I can find a good deal on the parts, I REALLY want to build an AR10 variant.

I'm usually a stickler for staying with Factory mags for weapons, unless I can get better than factory mags. Like the Wilson Combat 1911 mags vs. most other companies mags. Reliability is paramount in every aspect of a weapon system.

For sighting versatility, a good red dot with a red dot magnifier will allow the option to use the dot at close range, and flip in the magnifier to stretch the aiming range out.


That being said, I honestly hate the way the ATI stocks look, and i cant decide if i like the Fusion stock or not.....part of me hates it, but on the other hand, its a good stock by a good company....... Houge stocks are what im really looking at for this gun, But im not sure if it would be any lighter than the factory wood stock.

Id prefer Ruger factory, but my god, at 50.00 a pop for 30rd if you can find them, thats gonna get expensive real fast.... and even if they are reliable, thats extremely expensive for one mag.

My complaint with the scope that is on it is the fact that it is HUGE. I mean, its a 50mm, thats pretty dang big. I had put it on the gun for use in low light hunting where the IR reticle and large objective tube would gather in as much light as they could. Im very skittish about a Red Dot in this gun.....i dont know why, i guess because i have always used variable power scopes, and to me taking that away is like handicapping the gun. I guess im old fashioned. Its a huge scope for this small of a gun, and i have been looking to replace it for a while, i just cant seem to bring myself to red dotting it.

EDIT: almost forgot to address the AR thing. Building one had crossed my mind, but i dont think im patient enough for it......one day, though. one day.

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Posted 21 June 2009 - 07:40 PM

I've handled a Remi 700 SPS Tactical with the Hogue Overmolded stock. Not the same I know, but it is a GREAT feeling stock for the price. And It's not heavy by any means. I'd have to hold the Mini you have, but I'd wager the Hogue is lighter than the factory wood by a decent margin.
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Posted 21 June 2009 - 07:52 PM

Tell me ebout it....I was loking at one of the Ghillie Green models, seeing as how most of the time, NC is green. And it will be a nice break from the usually Walnut stocks and Black ATI stocks....... seems like every gun i give a makeover to has one, with the exception of a Springield 1903 and a SKS....its sittin in a Tapco.
I would hope it was lighter, My grandma has one on her 10/22 Carbine, and compared to my wood stocked one, its noticeably lighter.
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