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A Steam Grenade Instead of Smoke No fire, very little heat.

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 04:17 PM

Okay... doing this little experiment myself, I have never seen a flame from putting two chemicals together. (If any of you have done this, one chemical is H2O2). So I'm guessing that when I mix the two together the liquid boils (instead of spontaneously combusts) and produces a heck of a lot of steam (not smoke), but not as much of a cover as one of those K(XX)3 bombs (Yo, I'm trying not to get in trouble). But anyway, no fire, no big danger. Any opinions? Would this count as cold burning smoke?

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 04:20 PM

Sounds like a good idea if you can get an abundance of the necessary chemicals.
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Posted 11 November 2007 - 04:21 PM

Well H202 is hydrogen peroxide, the other one is about 8 dollars a pound :-/
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Posted 11 November 2007 - 04:28 PM

Is it actually steam? If so, then you still have a heat issue. Steam can scald.
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Posted 11 November 2007 - 04:43 PM

View PostKnightwolf16, on Nov 11 2007, 06:28 PM, said:

Is it actually steam? If so, then you still have a heat issue. Steam can scald.


Not only that, if you want an effective smoke bomb it has to stay thick in the air for a long period of time. I don't know, I'm not exactly a chemologist (if that even exists), but if you find something that works good and isn't hot, go for it.
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Posted 11 November 2007 - 04:48 PM

Steam burns are actually worse than straight up boiling water, in a lot of cases. Its just hotter than its liquid state friend. So I'd give a resounding no to this one.
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Posted 11 November 2007 - 04:49 PM

the biggest problem with this is then you would be breathing in dangerous chemicals
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Posted 11 November 2007 - 04:51 PM

The decomposition of H2O2 is exothermic, so you're still producing a significant amount of heat. Obviously steam is hot. Secondly, the oxidizer in that reaction can start fires when it comes into contact with certain materials. It is also corrosive and can burn you pretty badly if you get it on you.

In short, this idea of yours isn't going to work well if at all, and it's going to be quite unsafe. Please don't do this.

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 04:52 PM

^^ That's a good point (Bielerga). Breathing in reactive chemicals might not be the best thing. It might not really be very hot, because it might not be water vapour coming from it, it could be "steam" from another evaporating substance. I guess you could call the vapour that rises from dry ice or liquid nitrogen "steam" since it's a gaseous vapour resulting from a substance "boiling" (sublimating for dry ice)...

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EDIT: Ah. Apparently it's going to be exothermic and produce lots of heat, so I guess the "cold steam" thing I was saying isn't going to be happening :laugh:.

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Posted 11 November 2007 - 04:59 PM

i got an idea for a simulated smoke bomb, youll have a non-harmful powder and then use a 12g to shoot it out....
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Posted 11 November 2007 - 07:36 PM

aside from the fact you will feel like a lobster in a pot of water, theres also the notion that steam will seriously fog up your goggles and i doubt even the best of thermal lens will prevent that.
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Posted 11 November 2007 - 11:00 PM

if this did work anybody who walked through it would have major mask fog problems.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 02:30 PM

Haha... if someone knows the rules enough, then they will just have a foggy mask.

And thanks for the comments. I have another shipment of stuff coming in soon so I can measure some temperatures (caloriemetry anyone?). And I'll talk to my chem teacher about what it would give off.



And then think of the KNO3 ones. Their white smoke is 50% NO2. If I can recall correctly, that would be laughing gas.

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 05:11 PM

View PostScavies, on Nov 12 2007, 04:30 PM, said:

Haha... if someone knows the rules enough, then they will just have a foggy mask.

And thanks for the comments. I have another shipment of stuff coming in soon so I can measure some temperatures (caloriemetry anyone?). And I'll talk to my chem teacher about what it would give off.



And then think of the KNO3 ones. Their white smoke is 50% NO2. If I can recall correctly, that would be laughing gas.


hehehehehehehehe...okay i'll stop. actually, N2O is laughing gas. link

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Posted 12 November 2007 - 05:26 PM

It wouldnt start a fire...but if someone was caught in smoke and stumbled upon it...that would be some pretty serious burns.

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