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Episode 34 : Surrender rules and techniques Or : How Tyger gets people to give it up.... Rate Topic: -----

#1 User is offline   Tyger 

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Posted 04 August 2010 - 11:07 PM



After MANY years of being burned on the surrender rule, I decided to make a video to show what works for me. As with all other things like this, it's important that you know the rules of your particular field before you try anything like this. Proceed with caution if you try it.

Filmed at Breakaway Paintball! http://www.breakawaypaintball.com/

As far as the video referenced, I may do a "Nostalgia Critic" review of it someday. It still makes me cringe.

And the warning : IMPORTANT NOTICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PLEASE make sure before you even try this that it is legal at your field! SOME fields will have rules SPECIFICALLY stating that you may NEVER, EVER touch an opponent! Some fields even have rules stating you may not get within 10 feet of an opponent. So check your local rules before you attempt this!

I also want to state that, for the record, this is DANGEROUS!!! Any time you get point blank with an opponent ANYTHING can happen. You might freak them out and they'll throw punches. They might have you charged with assault for making physical contact. Or they might have a good laugh at their folly. You don't know!

SO PLEASE! BE CAREFUL if you attempt this maneuver! When in doubt, step back and shoot a ball.
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Posted 04 August 2010 - 11:29 PM

Good one...

Personally, I rarely ask another player to surrender - for all the reasons you mentioned. An exception of course for really young/small players...I dont like shooting little kids in the back.
Most of the fields I play use standard barrel tag rules, so surrenders dont usually come into play in point blank situations.
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Posted 04 August 2010 - 11:49 PM

where i go if you tap on the door frame and announce "all dead" all players in the structure are "dead"

one time someone rushed the tower i was in and i was hoping this guy forgot that rule, cause all that player had to do was walk in the door and he would have been done with =P
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Posted 04 August 2010 - 11:59 PM

View PostThe Stuntman, on 04 August 2010 - 11:29 PM, said:

Good one...

Personally, I rarely ask another player to surrender - for all the reasons you mentioned. An exception of course for really young/small players...I dont like shooting little kids in the back.
Most of the fields I play use standard barrel tag rules, so surrenders dont usually come into play in point blank situations.


Yep, and if I am asked for a surrender, I would rather take my chances getting you first (depending on field rules). I don't like fields where if someone gets withing a certain range and say surrender, your out. I like to play CQB and you often shoot each other in the same buildings. Knowing someone is just around the corner and yelling surrender to get them out is just dumb.

Unless it is a kid, it is always a shot or 2 (depending on elim rules) in the back (pod pack or vest only, nothing single layer if at all possible).
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 07:53 AM

My home field has a 10 ft surrender rule, but it is not mandatory. It does not get enforced too much for regular walk-on play since most people have played before and know what to expect. When a private group comes out the 10 ft safety rule is enforced a little more, but it is still not mandatory. In regular walk-on play I have never truly seen a need to surrender a seasoned player. Now when it comes to younger kids and newer players I will try to be nice and ask them to surrender if I am less than 10 ft away.

When it comes to scenario games and big games, then I do see a need for surrender rules. I have played in Viper scenarios and I really like how his surrender rules are set up. He has a barrel tag rule which simulates a "knife kill" and he has a surrender option. With the barrel tag you basically tap the player with your barrel and say "Barrel tag," and the player is eliminated. With the surrender option you ask the player to surrender, but they can turn and fire on you. The rules are there to basically challenge the players who have a more stealthy play style.
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 09:25 AM

We do not allow the tip of the barrel to be in contact with players. Simply too easy to trip, stumble or have the other guy move when you are touching him and end up barrel spiking him. Being shot at the end of the barrel it the highest possible velocity and hurts quite good.
We tell players to lay the side of the barrel against the shoulder.

But you are so right...knowing the individual field rules are key in this situation. I have been at quite a few that do not allow surrender at all...you must shoot the player out.


Man I love hand tagging though....
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 09:49 AM

My home field has an optional surrender / mandatory barrel tag rule.

You must either offer the chance to surrender or barrel tag.

If you are asked to surrender, you may decline or you may accept. There really is no delay or wait time, so any hesitation could well land you a close range shot.

If you are barrel tagged, you are out. That's it. No argument. You must put your barrel cover on and walk off the field / to reinsertion (whichever is applicable at the time)

I rarely get into a position where I'd offer a surrender. I tend to go for the sure-thing barrel tag. Most players I've barrel tagged tend to accept the rules without argument, often either embarrassed or grateful for not getting the close shot. The ones I have problems with are always the "surrender" attempts.
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 08:25 PM

I wont put, or push the barrel of my marker into another player,
for me thats opening a problem area, because I know personally If I person jabbed a barrel into me, I would punch them square in the lense. Regardless of if im out or not.

I once saw another person get "mercy'd" when the player mashed the end of his barrel into the back of the other player's neck. I actually was convinced he was going to get decked hard.
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 09:00 PM

Any physical contact with the end of your barrel is a bad idea.

You run the risk of things like this happening:

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I never try to surrender people, I just don't like putting myself at their mercy. If I have to shoot you at close range, I will. Better you get shot from within ten feet than me, especially if I'm deliberately trying not to shoot you.

If I barrel tag someone, I usually employ the same method as Tyger; putting my hand on their shoulder, and asking them to please leave. I feel like it's the best, most courteous method. This isn't war, we don't need to be jamming pieces of metal into people's sides.
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Posted 05 August 2010 - 09:34 PM

View PostEskimo, on 05 August 2010 - 10:25 PM, said:

I wont put, or push the barrel of my marker into another player,
for me thats opening a problem area, because I know personally If I person jabbed a barrel into me, I would punch them square in the lense. Regardless of if im out or not.

Hence why I warn against it. Thing is tho? My method is the only one that has WORKED time and time again with consistency. Mind you, I'm not trying to stab the guy, it's a gentle touch in the right spots. Now if someone high-velocity jammed a barrel into my kidney? Sure, I'll not be happy. But I know I'd probably have that "pucker factor" moment of "I'm not gonna spin here." if someone did my style surrender to me.

The whole rule is broken, too wiggly. Any rule that puts your opponent in control bothers me. Hence my first recommendation. Step back, shoot.
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Posted 06 August 2010 - 06:05 AM

I got to thinking about when I have offered surrenders to other players. In my experience the brand new players tend to be the ones I have issues with. You hate to shoot them from close range because the only true hard spot you have to shoot at is their shoe. On the same token they don't fully understand the concept of a surrender so they turn on you. At least that is how it goes in my area.

When it comes to experienced players there seems to be more of an understanding. I have had very few issues getting an experienced player to surrender. The ones who don't are of the never say die mentality. In my area it seems experienced players understand the effort it takes to sneak around and get close enough to ask for a surrender. With that said they are more apt to concede and walk off the field.
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Posted 06 August 2010 - 09:55 PM

i only use a surrender or barrel tag move if i am out of paint and i want to be somewhat useful to my team. which has happened once. one guy was at 50, i was out of paint so i ran to 50 reached around and tapped him with my barrel. and it worked pretty good he honored it and called himself out, but i was shot a moment later by his team mate. i think it worked pretty good, i helped my team out, and he didnt turn around and shoot me.
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Posted 07 August 2010 - 04:59 PM

I understand why some people would want to turn around and shoot you when you say surrender, but you really should think of what the person's doing. They snuck around behind you (or in some cases pinned you down to the point where you couldn't elminate them) and are giving you the option to be eliminated without being shot. As much as you want to stay in, it is really a crappy thing to do to turn around and shoot the person, because they could have easily stepped back and shot you. I say you should take the elimination, walk off the field and maybe tell that guy how he did a great job to outmaneuver you.

I do think the rule is awkward however, and I also agree about how it takes control of the situation out of your hands. I think that if you do offer the surrender option, you should get an "I'm out!" answer everytime. Especially if people consider the risk you are taking to give them that option.
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Posted 12 September 2010 - 12:34 AM

once again tyger you nailed it. ive had a mexican standoff form about 3 feet away after asking some jackwagon to surrender and he refused, then proceeded to shoot at my face from about a foot away. he was in a tower, i was on the ladder. awesome situation :dodgy: . so yea, know your fields rules, and if all else fails, shoot the SOB first.
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Posted 12 January 2011 - 04:56 PM

I don't really get close enough for that to happen a whole lot, but the way I see it - if someone got the drop on me and was nice enough to give me an opportunity to surrender, I'll take it. They could have shot me, and should be rewarded the kill, not punished for their kindness.

It does happen sometimes on the urban field here. I got caught reloading once and another time someone caught me looking out another door and was aiming at me from the back. I'm appreciative when someone is nice enough not to bunker me. If they do take the shot, well, that's just the game. I don't blame them for it.
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