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Posted 12 October 2009 - 11:12 AM

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What did the government do to cause the high crime rates among minorities?

Answer the question.
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Posted 12 October 2009 - 11:15 AM

View PostAshrak, on Oct 12 2009, 11:12 AM, said:

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What did the government do to cause the high crime rates among minorities?

Answer the question.

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Posted 12 October 2009 - 11:17 AM

View Postoutlaw-master, on Oct 12 2009, 11:25 AM, said:

And your statement ''What has the government done?'' Is the exact problem, they've done pretty much nothing for too long. I'll explain later.


Who's to say the government has any obligation to do anything?

We're all free to succeed or fail on our own merits. Life's not fair and there's always some subset of people with a disadvantage. In the course of American history, it's been a wide range of people, from Irish escaping potato crop shortages and famine to Chinese and Japanese coming overseas to California to people born in poorer neighborhoods today.

Yet, the high crime in particular demographics is a relatively new phenomenon in American history.

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Yeah the ghettos came over night, and the government had nothing to do with them :eck: You should atleast study history before you post something like that. What force created the ghetto then?


Nowhere in this thread did anyone suggest that ghettos "came over night."

And no, the government didn't make the "ghetto" what it is today. Not by a long shot.


But if you're as enlightened as you claim to be, then by all means, spit it out. Let evil whitey know how bad they were (wait... you said it was the government and not the race, which "by the way is mostly white" -- which is it? See my last post)

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So everybody who disagrees with Fen is whining.


I've disagreed with Fen on many things in the past, and yet I've not earned the "whining" award.

Clearly, there is more to it than that.

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Posted 12 October 2009 - 11:40 AM

View Postoutlaw-master, on Oct 12 2009, 11:57 AM, said:

Yeah the ghettos came over night, and the government had nothing to do with them :eck: You should atleast study history before you post something like that. What force created the ghetto then?


It was not the government. It was the populace. Ever seen pictures of the late 1800's and early 1900's where there are signs that say, "Germans need not apply," "Italians need not apply," "Irish need not apply?" Guess not, otherwise you would've seen the flaw in your own argument. You see, it wasn't the government that was doing this. Our government was saying, "C'mon over! We want you over here! We want your business!"

So... What not?

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Oh so whining is saying what I believe to be true. So everybody who disagrees with Fen is whining.



You HAVE NOT stated a belief. You've only thrown "I believe this because it's my opinoin" argument. And guess that? It's. Not. An. Arg. U. Ment. It's not even a belief. It's just... Being dumb.

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Posted 12 October 2009 - 11:51 AM

View PostAshrak, on Oct 12 2009, 01:12 PM, said:

@ Outlaw

What did the government do to cause the high crime rates among minorities?

Answer the question.




In a word ''segregation''. Now sure we all know segregation ended 40 years ago. But doing that time the black neighborhoods were known for there high poverty level, thus creating the ghettos. Not the ghettos that you see today, gang banging and drugs wasn't as rapid 40 years ago as it is. The government was known for not being as kind to the black community as they were to others doing the time of segregation. Which set the black community behind in terms of wealth and low crime rates. Because once you take away opportunities for making money the legal way, the only way that is left is illegally. Thus starting the drug problems that has engrossed the black neighborhoods. Over the years the government has done more and more to help the black community come out of this downward spiral. But like everything it takes time and the help of the entire community.


Now the blame isn't only on the government. There is no excuse for selling drugs and gangbanging. And all criminals are responsible for their crimes. Just because your back is up against the wall doesn't mean you should give in to wrong. And the time has come for black people to realize that the time of drug dealing and gangbanging is over. There is enough opportunity for people of all colors to make a living legitimately.


I've never gangbanged or sold drugs. But the area of Chicago that I grew up in was notorious for things like that. I think alot of the blame lies on the parents. As a kid my parents made sure to keep me out of the streets. And I know plenty of other black kids that didn't either. The problem isn't the black community anymore, the problem is the bad element inside of it that thrives off violence and making fast money. How can we put and end to this?......well don't ask me, because if I had all the answers I wouldn't be sitting here typing this up.


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Yeah the ghettos came over night, and the government had nothing to do with them :eck: You should atleast study history before you post something like that. What force created the ghetto then?


It was not the government. It was the populace. Ever seen pictures of the late 1800's and early 1900's where there are signs that say, "Germans need not apply," "Italians need not apply," "Irish need not apply?" Guess not, otherwise you would've seen the flaw in your own argument. You see, it wasn't the government that was doing this. Our government was saying, "C'mon over! We want you over here! We want your business!"

So... What not?

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Oh so whining is saying what I believe to be true. So everybody who disagrees with Fen is whining.



You HAVE NOT stated a belief. You've only thrown "I believe this because it's my opinoin" argument. And guess that? It's. Not. An. Arg. U. Ment. It's not even a belief. It's just... Being dumb.



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Posted 12 October 2009 - 12:41 PM

View Postoutlaw-master, on Oct 12 2009, 01:51 PM, said:

In a word ''segregation''. Now sure we all know segregation ended 40 years ago. But doing that time the black neighborhoods were known for there high poverty level, thus creating the ghettos. Not the ghettos that you see today, gang banging and drugs wasn't as rapid 40 years ago as it is. The government was known for not being as kind to the black community as they were to others doing the time of segregation. Which set the black community behind in terms of wealth and low crime rates. Because once you take away opportunities for making money the legal way, the only way that is left is illegally. Thus starting the drug problems that has engrossed the black neighborhoods. Over the years the government has done more and more to help the black community come out of this downward spiral. But like everything it takes time and the help of the entire community.


Now the blame isn't only on the government. There is no excuse for selling drugs and gangbanging. And all criminals are responsible for their crimes. Just because your back is up against the wall doesn't mean you should give in to wrong. And the time has come for black people to realize that the time of drug dealing and gangbanging is over. There is enough opportunity for people of all colors to make a living legitimately.


I've never gangbanged or sold drugs. But the area of Chicago that I grew up in was notorious for things like that. I think alot of the blame lies on the parents. As a kid my parents made sure to keep me out of the streets. And I know plenty of other black kids that didn't either. The problem isn't the black community anymore, the problem is the bad element inside of it that thrives off violence and making fast money. How can we put and end to this?......well don't ask me, because if I had all the answers I wouldn't be sitting here typing this up.


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Outlaw, this is the most intelligent, logical, and well-constructed argument I've ever seen you make. Further, it is grounded in fact.

I pretty much agree with this view. The only thing I have to say about it, is that the "bad element" you are referring to is not a SMALL element by any means, though I doubt it is the representative view of the majority of the black community. Unfortunately, it IS the MOST VISIBLE part. The hardest part of this, though, is that it is the responsibility of the black community to solve this problem. Whites can't do it. Every attempt by the white majority at intervening in this situation has turned to crap. The only thing that can be done is to support the efforts that begin in the black community. That's how desegregation came about. That's how the civil rights movement worked. It has to be the black community itself that CHOOSES to OVERTHROW the reign of tyranny that the "bad element" has imposed.
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Posted 12 October 2009 - 01:09 PM

View Postoutlaw-master, on Oct 12 2009, 12:51 PM, said:

In a word ''segregation''. Now sure we all know segregation ended 40 years ago. But doing that time the black neighborhoods were known for there high poverty level, thus creating the ghettos. Not the ghettos that you see today, gang banging and drugs wasn't as rapid 40 years ago as it is. The government was known for not being as kind to the black community as they were to others doing the time of segregation. Which set the black community behind in terms of wealth and low crime rates. Because once you take away opportunities for making money the legal way, the only way that is left is illegally. Thus starting the drug problems that has engrossed the black neighborhoods. Over the years the government has done more and more to help the black community come out of this downward spiral. But like everything it takes time and the help of the entire community.


Now the blame isn't only on the government. There is no excuse for selling drugs and gangbanging. And all criminals are responsible for their crimes. Just because your back is up against the wall doesn't mean you should give in to wrong. And the time has come for black people to realize that the time of drug dealing and gangbanging is over. There is enough opportunity for people of all colors to make a living legitimately.


I've never gangbanged or sold drugs. But the area of Chicago that I grew up in was notorious for things like that. I think alot of the blame lies on the parents. As a kid my parents made sure to keep me out of the streets. And I know plenty of other black kids that didn't either. The problem isn't the black community anymore, the problem is the bad element inside of it that thrives off violence and making fast money. How can we put and end to this?......well don't ask me, because if I had all the answers I wouldn't be sitting here typing this up.


I blame no one.....yet I blame everyone.


*applause* IKE is correct. This is the best argument I've seen you make.

I guess the thing is, how do you resolve the problems with in those communities? Law enforcement cooperation would be a big thing, especially when it comes to gathering evidence or pointing out who's who in the whole mess. The ideology of "snitching" though, has to go. What happens when the drug dealers and these "gangsters" no longer have a buying base, or at least, have a smaller one? Of course this would have to be a community thing as well. If one person stands against them, they'll get taken out in a drive by or something. But the entire neighborhood?

All in all, I guess recovery is the hard part, isn't it?


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So now i'm a pathetic...dumb...prejudice. Oh how we love name calling.

I never called you prejudice... And you hadn't provided an argument of any sort. I guess very little of what was once said applies, now doesn't it?
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Posted 12 October 2009 - 01:09 PM

View PostI.K.E., on Oct 12 2009, 02:41 PM, said:

View Postoutlaw-master, on Oct 12 2009, 01:51 PM, said:

In a word ''segregation''. Now sure we all know segregation ended 40 years ago. But doing that time the black neighborhoods were known for there high poverty level, thus creating the ghettos. Not the ghettos that you see today, gang banging and drugs wasn't as rapid 40 years ago as it is. The government was known for not being as kind to the black community as they were to others doing the time of segregation. Which set the black community behind in terms of wealth and low crime rates. Because once you take away opportunities for making money the legal way, the only way that is left is illegally. Thus starting the drug problems that has engrossed the black neighborhoods. Over the years the government has done more and more to help the black community come out of this downward spiral. But like everything it takes time and the help of the entire community.


Now the blame isn't only on the government. There is no excuse for selling drugs and gangbanging. And all criminals are responsible for their crimes. Just because your back is up against the wall doesn't mean you should give in to wrong. And the time has come for black people to realize that the time of drug dealing and gangbanging is over. There is enough opportunity for people of all colors to make a living legitimately.


I've never gangbanged or sold drugs. But the area of Chicago that I grew up in was notorious for things like that. I think alot of the blame lies on the parents. As a kid my parents made sure to keep me out of the streets. And I know plenty of other black kids that didn't either. The problem isn't the black community anymore, the problem is the bad element inside of it that thrives off violence and making fast money. How can we put and end to this?......well don't ask me, because if I had all the answers I wouldn't be sitting here typing this up.


I blame no one.....yet I blame everyone.


Outlaw, this is the most intelligent, logical, and well-constructed argument I've ever seen you make. Further, it is grounded in fact.

I pretty much agree with this view. The only thing I have to say about it, is that the "bad element" you are referring to is not a SMALL element by any means, though I doubt it is the representative view of the majority of the black community. Unfortunately, it IS the MOST VISIBLE part. The hardest part of this, though, is that it is the responsibility of the black community to solve this problem. Whites can't do it. Every attempt by the white majority at intervening in this situation has turned to crap. The only thing that can be done is to support the efforts that begin in the black community. That's how desegregation came about. That's how the civil rights movement worked. It has to be the black community itself that CHOOSES to OVERTHROW the reign of tyranny that the "bad element" has imposed.



Agreed.

Finally i'm making sense in a debate.

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Posted 12 October 2009 - 01:59 PM

View PostFenrisulfr, on Oct 12 2009, 03:09 PM, said:

View Postoutlaw-master, on Oct 12 2009, 12:51 PM, said:

In a word ''segregation''. Now sure we all know segregation ended 40 years ago. But doing that time the black neighborhoods were known for there high poverty level, thus creating the ghettos. Not the ghettos that you see today, gang banging and drugs wasn't as rapid 40 years ago as it is. The government was known for not being as kind to the black community as they were to others doing the time of segregation. Which set the black community behind in terms of wealth and low crime rates. Because once you take away opportunities for making money the legal way, the only way that is left is illegally. Thus starting the drug problems that has engrossed the black neighborhoods. Over the years the government has done more and more to help the black community come out of this downward spiral. But like everything it takes time and the help of the entire community.


Now the blame isn't only on the government. There is no excuse for selling drugs and gangbanging. And all criminals are responsible for their crimes. Just because your back is up against the wall doesn't mean you should give in to wrong. And the time has come for black people to realize that the time of drug dealing and gangbanging is over. There is enough opportunity for people of all colors to make a living legitimately.


I've never gangbanged or sold drugs. But the area of Chicago that I grew up in was notorious for things like that. I think alot of the blame lies on the parents. As a kid my parents made sure to keep me out of the streets. And I know plenty of other black kids that didn't either. The problem isn't the black community anymore, the problem is the bad element inside of it that thrives off violence and making fast money. How can we put and end to this?......well don't ask me, because if I had all the answers I wouldn't be sitting here typing this up.


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*applause* IKE is correct. This is the best argument I've seen you make.

I guess the thing is, how do you resolve the problems with in those communities? Law enforcement cooperation would be a big thing, especially when it comes to gathering evidence or pointing out who's who in the whole mess. The ideology of "snitching" though, has to go. What happens when the drug dealers and these "gangsters" no longer have a buying base, or at least, have a smaller one? Of course this would have to be a community thing as well. If one person stands against them, they'll get taken out in a drive by or something. But the entire neighborhood?

All in all, I guess recovery is the hard part, isn't it?


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I never called you prejudice... And you hadn't provided an argument of any sort. I guess very little of what was once said applies, now doesn't it?


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Posted 12 October 2009 - 03:50 PM

View Postoutlaw-master, on Oct 12 2009, 02:51 PM, said:

View PostAshrak, on Oct 12 2009, 01:12 PM, said:

@ Outlaw

What did the government do to cause the high crime rates among minorities?

Answer the question.




In a word ''segregation''. Now sure we all know segregation ended 40 years ago. But doing that time the black neighborhoods were known for there high poverty level, thus creating the ghettos. Not the ghettos that you see today, gang banging and drugs wasn't as rapid 40 years ago as it is. The government was known for not being as kind to the black community as they were to others doing the time of segregation. Which set the black community behind in terms of wealth and low crime rates. Because once you take away opportunities for making money the legal way, the only way that is left is illegally. Thus starting the drug problems that has engrossed the black neighborhoods. Over the years the government has done more and more to help the black community come out of this downward spiral. But like everything it takes time and the help of the entire community.


Now the blame isn't only on the government. There is no excuse for selling drugs and gangbanging. And all criminals are responsible for their crimes. Just because your back is up against the wall doesn't mean you should give in to wrong. And the time has come for black people to realize that the time of drug dealing and gangbanging is over. There is enough opportunity for people of all colors to make a living legitimately.


I've never gangbanged or sold drugs. But the area of Chicago that I grew up in was notorious for things like that. I think alot of the blame lies on the parents. As a kid my parents made sure to keep me out of the streets. And I know plenty of other black kids that didn't either. The problem isn't the black community anymore, the problem is the bad element inside of it that thrives off violence and making fast money. How can we put and end to this?......well don't ask me, because if I had all the answers I wouldn't be sitting here typing this up.


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See? We can agree on some things can't we? Well reasoned and well thought out post; I agree with it 100%. :angry:

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Posted 12 October 2009 - 08:13 PM

View PostAshrak, on Oct 12 2009, 06:50 PM, said:

View Postoutlaw-master, on Oct 12 2009, 02:51 PM, said:

View PostAshrak, on Oct 12 2009, 01:12 PM, said:

@ Outlaw

What did the government do to cause the high crime rates among minorities?

Answer the question.




In a word ''segregation''. Now sure we all know segregation ended 40 years ago. But doing that time the black neighborhoods were known for there high poverty level, thus creating the ghettos. Not the ghettos that you see today, gang banging and drugs wasn't as rapid 40 years ago as it is. The government was known for not being as kind to the black community as they were to others doing the time of segregation. Which set the black community behind in terms of wealth and low crime rates. Because once you take away opportunities for making money the legal way, the only way that is left is illegally. Thus starting the drug problems that has engrossed the black neighborhoods. Over the years the government has done more and more to help the black community come out of this downward spiral. But like everything it takes time and the help of the entire community.


Now the blame isn't only on the government. There is no excuse for selling drugs and gangbanging. And all criminals are responsible for their crimes. Just because your back is up against the wall doesn't mean you should give in to wrong. And the time has come for black people to realize that the time of drug dealing and gangbanging is over. There is enough opportunity for people of all colors to make a living legitimately.


I've never gangbanged or sold drugs. But the area of Chicago that I grew up in was notorious for things like that. I think alot of the blame lies on the parents. As a kid my parents made sure to keep me out of the streets. And I know plenty of other black kids that didn't either. The problem isn't the black community anymore, the problem is the bad element inside of it that thrives off violence and making fast money. How can we put and end to this?......well don't ask me, because if I had all the answers I wouldn't be sitting here typing this up.


I blame no one.....yet I blame everyone.


See? We can agree on some things can't we? Well reasoned and well thought out post; I agree with it 100%. :laugh:

I have my own solution for dealing with gangs of all stripes, though I doubt it will ever be implemented. Ultimately, the Black Community has to rise against the gangs and either turn them into the police wholesale, or wipe them out themselves. Personal responsibility of the individual has to be accepted before any change occurs.


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Posted 12 October 2009 - 08:48 PM

wow, just wow. I guess being first is enough to get an international prize. Oh well he isn't the first president to get one and probably not the last. Jimmy Carter at least created Habitat for Humanity and they gave him one. Doesn't Al Gore have one too?
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Posted 12 October 2009 - 08:52 PM

I was about to call all you guys giant *censored* for trolling Outlaw. :laugh:

Then he posts...that?

Wow. I even googled the paragraphs wondering if Outlaw grabbed it from someone else. The only results I could find were articles about how the U.S. government is committing genocide by keeping blacks in the Ghettos. Or how middle-income blacks only got out by "embarrassing bourgeoisie values."

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Posted 12 October 2009 - 09:32 PM

View PostMaDuce, on Oct 12 2009, 10:52 PM, said:

I was about to call all you guys giant *censored* for trolling Outlaw. :laugh:

Then he posts...that?

Wow. I even googled the paragraphs wondering if Outlaw grabbed it from someone else. The only results I could find were articles about how the U.S. government is committing genocide by keeping blacks in the Ghettos. Or how middle-income blacks only got out by "embarrassing bourgeoisie values."

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No google or other websites were used, that was all me. :P If I want to I can debate seriously, but most of the time I just state my opinion and leave.
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