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Posted 23 December 2008 - 01:11 PM

I traded a P68sc and my mini for this sexy pump mag and the previous owner, chopper duke, included some extra parts. I've been lurking in here for a while, but a lot of these spare parts are besides me, can anyone help me identify them?

The actually gun (it's raining outside, sorry for the bad pic ):

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The Parts I need help identifying:

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The first picture is of a a power tube spacer kit, but what are they used for?

The second picture is of a bunch of different o-rings, a triangular black thing, and something to do with a twistlock?

The third picture is of a cp on-off asa, twistlock to cocker adapter, wave springs. I know what those 3 are/ used for. Then there's a black and a red spring (different velocity main springs?), then some sears maybe (2 have trigger rods?), a black metal circluar thing, 2 screws, 1 thing with threads, a couple of smooth pieces of metal, and another o-ring.

The fourth pic is just a closeup of the parts I couldn't identify from the third.

As you guys can tell, I know some about mags, but not a level of detail that I'd like.

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 01:48 PM

from my limited mag knowledge:

Picture 1:
No Idea what they are, I'd guess something to do with spacing the powertube. ;)
Picture 2:
the top baggie looks like some on/off O-rings.
The black triangular thing is a foamie for a lv.7 bolt, the original anti chop, right?
the black squiggly thing is a wire detent for a twistlock barrel.
the blue o-rings are rubber bumpers used to cushion the return stroke of the bolt.
-that's all I can figure out, the others are just O-rings and some random c-clip.
Picture 3:
-CP on/off. Duh.
-the two things in baggies right below them are "wave springs"- they're what make the P-mag tick.
-No idea about the middle thing with three holes...
-Yup, you've got 3 sears there, but only 2 have trigger rods.
-the springs are mainsprings, I don't think they have a lot to do with velocity in a Mag, just with the bolt return. IDK where they come into play with a p-mag. :laugh:
-The two metal cylinders that are identical may be on/off pins? maybe? IDK what they are exactly are.
-the big threaded piece in the last picture in the bottom right looks like the back cap that you use to adjust your velocity.

other than that, we'll have to wait on the automaggots. :P That's all I can ID.
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Posted 23 December 2008 - 02:41 PM

With the parts you appear to have... You have a LvL 10 kit installed. With that said... That powertube spacer kit is junk and best left in the toolbox in case you ever go back to LvL 7. That is the only time you use them.

In the 2nd pic: the blue rubber washers are LvL 7 bolt bumpers. Again a waste if you are using LvL 10 parts. The triangular piece is called a foamie and is used to replace the one in the LvL 10 bolt in the event it blows out. 12 - 15 years ago AGD quit selling foamie bolts (different design) until the LvL 10 came out. That is a LvL 10 Foamie. The crooked plastic stick is a ball detent for the twist lock barrel.

3rd pic: The wavy washers are for the pump kit. Not too familiar with their placement, but they either go in front of, or in place of the bumper. You also appear to have a classic valve velocity adjustment screw and a tournament lock, lots of twist lock pins, and several AM/MM sears. The two springs are LvL 10 bolt springs.

4th Pic: close up of pic 3 tiny bits.


Here are the parts diagram for classic valves showing both LvL 7 and LvL 10 parts.



Item 13 is a lvl 7 powertube spacer.

Item 10 is the lvl 7 bumper. the lvl 10 bumper is clear.

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 06:19 PM

Plummer your better than that :P , a Level X in a pump , what a waste of 50$
& the bolt bumpers are actually cut to fit inside the wave washers
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Posted 23 December 2008 - 06:40 PM

Researching is one thing, identify small seemingly similar parts is another. Takes masters to do that.

So I took it apart again and found out there is an upgraded bolt in there? Part 16 on the page plummer posted. It's made by A.N.S. and appears to have venturi holes in it. The strange bit is that there is what appears to be a cut up foamie glued into the middle of the holes.

The wave spring goes where the blue rubber washers go, is there any way to tell whether or not this has a lvlx?

Thanks.

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 07:06 PM

If it has an ANS Venturi bolt then it doesn't have an AGD Level 10 bolt...

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Posted 23 December 2008 - 07:31 PM

You're correct.. A pump Lvl 10 is a waste, and I completely agree. The foamie and springs threw me as strange to have in there.

The ANS bolt does have a small foamie, and has a tendency to blow out while shooting after a while. Not nearly as bad as the old AGD ones though.
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Posted 25 December 2008 - 06:06 PM

Ok, now that I think about it, that makes sense.

How much would you guys say this is worth?

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Posted 25 December 2008 - 09:50 PM

That, sir is a tough call. I couldn't begin to estimate the value. Especially since it's value is subjective to the owner and potential customer.
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Posted 26 December 2008 - 02:45 PM

Generally on AO LVL 10s sell for between 40 and 60 dollars.
Nice P-mag. The wave spring is what disables the bolt from being reset. Its what makes a pmag work.
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