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Sniping and ambushing is it unethical or against the rules Rate Topic: -----

Poll: Ambushing (160 member(s) have cast votes)

is it unethical

  1. yes (8 votes [5.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  2. no (152 votes [95.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 95.00%

should it be against the rules

  1. yes (1 votes [0.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.62%

  2. no (159 votes [99.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 99.38%

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#31 User is offline   TREYisRAD 

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Posted 22 February 2008 - 02:49 PM

I honestly think it makes the game less fun. It shouldn't be against the rules by any means, but I honestly think the game would be more fun without it. I mean, a guy waits in the woods for a half hour doing nothing but waiting, and then a group of guys walks by. He shoots them all. All five guys are out and then he goes back to waiting. The guys who got shot out didn't have fun, and the guy who got them all had just been sitting there for thirty minutes, and will go back for another thirty minutes. Only one out of six of those guys really enjoyed that game, and he didn't really do anything for 90% of it. In a game where both forces go out and meet each other, do some shooting, make some good moves, flanking, teamwork, etc. etc. then everyone has a good time. Camping ruined Cod4, but I hope it won't do the same to paintball. Many of you will probably say it's just using every possible advantage, and it is, but it doesn't really add any fun to the game. That's why I don't really do it, it's much more fun to be able to work as a group and use skills and move aggressively and eliminate players. I gain far more joy from using my skills and knowledge to bunker someone or do a run through then just waiting for them to walk by me and then shooting them in the back. Now, this may seem very biased, and it probably is, but those are my $.02.
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Posted 07 March 2008 - 03:16 PM

its in human nature to do what ever it takes to survive (not saying you die in paintball but you get the point) ambushing and snipeing is jsut another way to survive and its not like every person on the field is gonna set a ambush or snipe well at least do one succesfully most will just charge up the center or try and set up a ambush but end up firing to early and getting covered in paint
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Posted 09 March 2008 - 09:27 PM

View PostWeigel21, on Jan 29 2008, 08:44 PM, said:

View PostGhost.Mob.One, on Jan 26 2008, 01:48 PM, said:

View PostJackRock, on Jan 26 2008, 03:46 PM, said:

Ever hear of "all is fair in love and war"?

At any rate, sniping is simply using a tactic, just like charging. It requires more skill and patience than one might think, and isn't in any way unethical. I'm sorry, but whether you're in a paintball game or war, getting shot in the back is little more than your own fault. You failed to notice the sniper as you walked right past him. Like every other contest, it's a battle of skill, patience, attention and discipline.


well said...



I concur.


As do I. Besides shooting a man in the back is the safest place to shoot him ;) . If ya get tunnel vision and just go marching through the woods an a sniper gets most of your team in an ambush, you failed to assess the the situation properly. It's not like they're invisible they can be found if you look hard enough we are after all human and it's in our nature to make mistakes an be imperfect.

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Posted 10 March 2008 - 04:50 PM

we are talking about ethics in a game where the object is to run around and shoot as many people as you can?
so a bush shot you?...
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Posted 10 March 2008 - 04:56 PM

I am usually out numbered and out gunned, so i usually get sneaky and hide untill i can take out 3 or more before i die a horrible and painful but fun death.
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Posted 11 March 2008 - 06:17 PM

Wow that guy is stupid.


If anything it shows skill to be able to attack your enemy on your terms. And it shows lack of skill on there part.

Also know that your consulting a forum that is heavily populated by people who consider the Special Ops Tactics Manual a Bible...so there si going to be a lot of bias.

Yet as someone who plays speedball alot and someone who knows and works with countless speedballers, most would be PERTURBED yes, but not consider it unethical or agasint the rules.

In short its the doo doo players complaining...
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Posted 13 March 2008 - 07:20 AM

View Postarchangel07, on Jan 26 2008, 01:33 PM, said:

I have been playing for around 10 years and I run a recon/ tactical eliminations team, as I have been well versed in guerilla/ asymmetrical warfare. And I got into a discussion with a guy who I know about all of this.

He claims that "camping and waiting for the OpFor to walk by and shoot them by surprise is unethical and shows no skill, it should be against the rules." If you are doing it in a manner that you know where they will be it is called an ambush, and this is a guy who cant sit still for a minute.

We got into a deep discussion about rules and ethics, I agree that it may be unethical to engage from behind, but so is much of what my team does. However, we make sure not to break the rules, underhandedness is not against the rules of the game.

What do you guys think about ambushing and engaging from the rear?
yea man i think that ambushing from the rear is totally ok. with the guys a play with on my team we always send someone to flank and just get around them to draw fire from 2 sides. there is nothing wrong with that, even the military tries to do that in situations which if its wrong than tell our military too

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Posted 13 March 2008 - 10:03 AM

View Postarchangel07, on Jan 26 2008, 01:33 PM, said:

I have been playing for around 10 years and I run a recon/ tactical eliminations team, as I have been well versed in guerilla/ asymmetrical warfare. And I got into a discussion with a guy who I know about all of this.

He claims that "camping and waiting for the OpFor to walk by and shoot them by surprise is unethical and shows no skill, it should be against the rules." If you are doing it in a manner that you know where they will be it is called an ambush, and this is a guy who cant sit still for a minute.

We got into a deep discussion about rules and ethics, I agree that it may be unethical to engage from behind, but so is much of what my team does. However, we make sure not to break the rules, underhandedness is not against the rules of the game.

What do you guys think about ambushing and engaging from the rear?

I am wondering how does this individual think that there is no skill in an ambush? A properly laid ambush takes a great amount of skill. First you have to take the time to find an apprpriate area to lay the ambush. The commander has to be able to read the terrain so that in positioning his players can maximize their firepower.

Saying it is unethical is kind of dated, say to the Amercian Revolution. You are using a tactical advantage. Being unethical would be switching your arm bands to another color or wiping paint. If the OPFOR walks past an ambush without detecting anyone there, does that mean that the ambush team cheated? NO, it either means they were properly concealed and or the OPFOR was not attentive enough to see them. No one likes getting shot in the back and that might provoke shouts of cheating but all it means is that the ambush team had the patience to stay low and concealed to strike at the most oportune moment. They wouldn't think it cheating if they were doing the ambushing.
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Posted 13 March 2008 - 10:42 AM

When its me against five other guys i'm not going to just run around shooting at them. LAME. No i'm going to get into sniping position and pick them off one by one. And if they can't pay enough attention to see me then they deserve to be shot. Maybe they'll learn and have a better time next time. If your an experienced player then you can detect possible sniper positions then avoid/attack it. The only way to get better is to learn it the hard way. :laugh:
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Posted 15 March 2008 - 09:15 PM

Well i don't think its unethical or should be against the rules for two reasons:
One this isn't a gentleman's game, its not the revolutionary war where you faced your opponent because it was "proper"
two ITS A GAME paintball is a giant game, and most games that are in the woods you have to hide

i think this guy says this only because hes been caught by them about 100 times and is too much of an adrenaline junky to do them, or take it slow and watch for them.
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Posted 23 March 2008 - 11:52 AM

i do not think its unethical at all. im not typicaly the sniper who can take out 4 or 5 people... but that dont mean its not ethical. it adds a very intense part of the game, keeping an eye out for those sneaky ones... :(
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Posted 27 March 2008 - 10:53 PM

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We got into a deep discussion about rules and ethics, I agree that it may be unethical to engage from behind,


You got into a debate about Assymetrical Warfare and then decided to apply the ethics of a general who adhere's to the principles of a Gentlemen's strategy -- ... if you don't mind me saying so but, this crossed my eyes. ><

Assymetrical Warfare is all about exploiting in maximum potential you're advantages against the enemies disadvantages -- one example of this would be how members of the Muqata Al-Sadr Militia try to directly quagmire our Rules of Engagement by tossing Gernades at passing Humvee's from a crowd of civilians gathered at a street corner.

Who does the gunner of the vehicle turn to shoot if he's not injured? Who actually threw the gernade? If he fires into the crowd, whats the actual ratio that he'll nab the Insurgent who tossed it? Only the insurgent knows for sure. But you see, that's what Assymetrical Warfare is all about.

It's about shutting out you're opponent x2. Because, as the example above illustrates -- not only will the Humvee gunner/driver I hit with the Gernade suffer injuries or become a fatality; it is inevitable that his crew, in a temporary state of dillusionment and suprise, might actually try to open fire on me -- and to my political benefit, will be willing to risk any civilians in the process. Assuming we survive the incident or the convoy drives on ...

We will appear later as "witnesses", we can state American forces opened fire on a crowd of civilians for no reason -- even though we were the reason in the first place. And who are they going to believe? The survivors -- i.e, us, who they have no idea did it. Or a corpse? Well, corpes can't tell the truth because they just sit there and lie. And they're not going to believe the American military because this attrocity, as it will appear, was at they're expense. So really, that's a quad wammy right there.

Whatever goes through that potential insurgents mind or the crowd (in the form of led) is not the point -- Assymetrical Warfare, by it's very definition, is EXTREMELY unfair. Attacking from behind in Paintball, unfair? NNNOOOO.

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Posted 08 April 2008 - 10:55 AM

Kudos to everyone who's chimed in with very informed opinions of warfare and it's varied strategies. Good stuff.

That said, I think it's important the original poster tell his friend ... it is a GAME. Have fun. I think the whole notion of "snipers" in paintball is beyond silly. That may ruffle some feathers from the hardcore scenario players and so be it. If you want to be a sniper, sign up for any form of military your country provides. Paint ball has predators and players who like to hide and conceal their position to ambush or sneak attack. It does not have snipers. I personally do not like the militaristic attachment to paintball. Men and women every day make the ultimate sacrifice in real military situations with real ambushes and real snipers and real tactics as ProLitePopper intelligently laid out. Let's maintain some semblance of perspective for what is in any way you slice it just a _game_. Enjoy it as such & be safe.

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Posted 10 April 2008 - 03:14 PM

View Postarchangel07, on Jan 26 2008, 11:33 AM, said:

I have been playing for around 10 years and I run a recon/ tactical eliminations team, as I have been well versed in guerilla/ asymmetrical warfare. And I got into a discussion with a guy who I know about all of this.

He claims that "camping and waiting for the OpFor to walk by and shoot them by surprise is unethical and shows no skill, it should be against the rules." If you are doing it in a manner that you know where they will be it is called an ambush, and this is a guy who cant sit still for a minute.

We got into a deep discussion about rules and ethics, I agree that it may be unethical to engage from behind, but so is much of what my team does. However, we make sure not to break the rules, underhandedness is not against the rules of the game.

What do you guys think about ambushing and engaging from the rear?

Your friend has no idea what he is talking about. Obviously he plays in the woods or you wouldn't have had this conversation but his perspective is best used on the speedball field, which, if that's what someone prefers is fine with me.

The woods is (obviously) a very different game. Personally, since I can't sit still for long, I seldom set up ambushes. However, many of the people I play against do and I think it's a perfectly suitable way to play paintball. Since I'm a mover, I've become rather adept at springing the trap and turning it against the opponent, so I always expect it.

Your friend is playing within a self-imposed set of rules that will only result in getting shot.

Are ambushes and sniping unethical? Obsolutely not, it's a smart way of playing against the unsuspecting. Furthermore, it makes you have to step up your game in order to beat that style of play. The fact is if you can discover the position of a lone sniper he is a sitting duck for two or three opposing players to take out.

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Posted 05 August 2008 - 06:46 PM

Would people get it through there heads that you can not be a sniper in paint ball. I have an 08 ego and it still can not put ball on ball past 40 yards. I am also on many shooting teams where we shoot over 500yds that is sniping any idiot can shoot someone with in the effective range of a paint ball.

So when someone can use a paint ball gun and can hit someone at over a 100yds with no misses let me know.
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